Kobe Response To Phil Jackson

[calh45]

So because Cartwright threatened Mike at some point that proves that he wasn't a good leader? Cartwright and Shaq are 2 different players/people. What makes you think that Mike would've handled Shaq like he handled Cartwright? Besides, how many titles did Cartwright win with Mike? How about Kerr? Regardless of what may have happened between those guys and Mike over the years, it's obvious that Mike lead those perspective teams to the top of the mountain. Your post makes no sense, you haven't refuted anything that I said.

Because how MJ handled Cartwright was how he handled EVERYONE. He did the same shyt to Horace and BJ Armstrong and Paxson and even Pip. His leadership style was to be a bully. That is it. There is no other way he handles things. If you don't do things his way you got cut. That's what happened.

We're not talking about titles won. You're talking about leadership. Don't change it up to include titles because titles don't mean a good leader it means a good team. It's been said by more people that played on the those teams that PIPPEN was the one holding all of that shyt together not MJ.

Your post said Mike commands more respect, but it wasn't respect he got from his teammates. It was disdain and fear. Kobe gets more respect around the league from other players than Mike ever did. They couldn't stand his ass.

 

[Gravity]

So Jordan would of acted like a bytch to shaq as to not catch that preemptive beatdown?

No, Shaq would have fell back and allowed the ultimate alpha dog to assume his position. The thought of a young 23-27 year old Mike out on the court with an end of prime Shaq is frightening, unimaginable. You saw what Penny looked like. You saw what Kobe looked like. We saw what Wade looked like. How good of a defender would Mike have been with Shaq in the paint? How much more open would the court had been with Shaq occupying dominant big man attention?

 

[Mac071415]

It will always be Jordan > Kobe. Fact is Jordan made others around him better . Kobe gets management to put prime centers or pfs in their prime with him to make himself better. Another reason most people say Duncan > Kobe. But Duncan will never get the recognition by some people cause he plays for a small market. Can you honestly say kobe would have had the same success of he had stayed in Charlotte? Of course not that's another reason he wanted to play in LA. For the attention and he knew that's where all the stars play.

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[cleanface coney]

Because how MJ handled Cartwright was how he handled EVERYONE. He did the same shyt to Horace and BJ Armstrong and Paxson and even Pip. His leadership style was to be a bully. That is it. There is no other way he handles things. If you don't do things his way you got cut. That's what happened.

We're not talking about titles won. You're talking about leadership. Don't change it up to include titles because titles don't mean a good leader it means a good team. It's been said by more people that played on the those teams that PIPPEN was the one holding all of that shyt together not MJ.

Your post said Mike commands more respect, but it wasn't respect he got from his teammates. It was disdain and fear. Kobe gets more respect around the league from other players than Mike ever did. They couldn't stand his ass.

somebody posted that showed Scottie Pippen led Jordan in every other career category besides scoring...i never knew that that shyt blew my mind

 

[CantStop]

so they dont both jack up shots and pray ?

Melo shoots more shots than Kobe at a worse %.

 

[IGSaint12]

No, Shaq would have fell back and allowed the ultimate alpha dog to assume his position. The thought of a young 23-27 year old Mike out on the court with an end of prime Shaq is frightening, unimaginable. You saw what Penny looked like. You saw what Kobe looked like. We saw what Wade looked like. How good of a defender would Mike have been with Shaq in the paint? How much more open would the court had been with Shaq occupying dominant big man attention?

Shaq fell back to no one, he has to always be in the dominant position irregardless of who has more experience or who is better.

 

[rapbeats]

and lets address this leadership nonsense phil is spewing out of his mouth.

again. JOrdan was a full grown man approx the same age as everyone else on his team. he was not the Youngest guy or close to the youngest on his team. that right there alone changes the dynamics of who's a leader and who isnt.

in addition. he was the most alpha male dominant presence in the lockerroom. also phil sided with jordan because he was the best player and the biggest alpha male in the lockerroom.

phil sided with shaq who was the most DOMINANT player at his position in the nba and shaq was also an alpha male. but kobe was to. neither one would back down. there was no pippen to mj relationship with shaq and kobe. phil sided with shaq, which made kobe choose to leave or back down for the moment and win these rings. we know what happened. 3peat. kobe was a kid. how hard would it be for a perfectionist hoop junky kid to try and lead a team full of old guys?

lets take a look at the age difference

Jordan's bulls the year they won their 1st ring.
jordan was 27 years old in his 7th season in the nba

<PRE>                         
Rk             Player Age
1      Scott Williams  22
2      B.J. Armstrong  23
3         Stacey King  24
4         Will Perdue  25
5       Dennis Hopson  25
6        Horace Grant  25
7      Scottie Pippen  25
8      Michael Jordan  27
9    Cliff Levingston  30
10       Craig Hodges  30
11        John Paxson  30
12    Bill Cartwright  33
</PRE>

Lets look at KObe.. this dude was the youngest on the team, 21 years old(4th year in the league just barely legal enough to grab a beer). with shaq being in the middle at 27. 6 years older then kobe. there was no way on earth kobe could've LEAD that team like mike lead the bulls. to many old heads. he's to young. and shaq was to old and to dominant and to much ego to allow it to happen. and lastly phil took sides before he gave kobe a chance to lead. this is why its so much an apples to oranges comparison.

<PRE>                     
Player            Age
Ron Harper         36
A.C. Green         36
John Salley        35
Brian Shaw         33
Glen Rice          32
Rick Fox           30
Robert Horry       29
Shaquille ONeal    27
Derek Fisher       25
Travis Knight      25
Sam Jacobson       24
Devean George      22
Tyronn Lue         22
John Celestand     22
Kobe Bryant        21
</PRE>

 

[kbtwofour]

In his new book “Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success”, Phil Jackson tells a great story from a meeting he helped arrange between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant during the 1999-2000 season. Kobe, who we know thinks quite highly of his own abilities, told MJ (who had retired from the NBA for a second time) that he could take him one-on-one when they saw each other in Chicago that year. In the book, Jackson writes that Jordan was a considerably superior player and leader to Bryant.

I'm talking about those words coming from Phil not a writer who has yet to read the book.

Has Phil ever come out and say Jordan is far superior than Kobe?

 

[KingJudah]

I don't know if it's sexist or what but men shouldn't be allowed to tweet. Every time I see a man send a tweet I feel like he's revoking his own card. Leave that attention whoring to the females.

MEN shouldnt be allowed? You must not follow any woman on twitter obviously.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

But if Jordan was able to play with a prime Shaq, they would never lose a fukking game

Kobe

 

[holidayinn21]

No, Shaq would have fell back and allowed the ultimate alpha dog to assume his position.

yeah. ok. wishful thinking on your part.

 

[kbtwofour]

But if Jordan was able to play with a prime Shaq, they would never lose a fukking game

They would be hard to beat if they were on the same page and had no issues. They would get into problems because you have two guys who want the ball, have big egos, and want to be he alpha male on the team.

 

[Gravity]

Because how MJ handled Cartwright was how he handled EVERYONE. He did the same shyt to Horace and BJ Armstrong and Paxson and even Pip. His leadership style was to be a bully. That is it. There is no other way he handles things. If you don't do things his way you got cut. That's what happened.

We're not talking about titles won. You're talking about leadership. Don't change it up to include titles because titles don't mean a good leader it means a good team. It's been said by more people that played on the those teams that PIPPEN was the one holding all of that shyt together not MJ.

Your post said Mike commands more respect, but it wasn't respect he got from his teammates. It was disdain and fear. Kobe gets more respect around the league from other players than Mike ever did. They couldn't stand his ass.

You sound like a butt-hurt kid. You weren't there little dude You're up here speaking for cats like you were there witnessing shyt. We have Phil Jackson here lauding over Mike's leadership skills and here you are trying to shyt on his leadership. Check yourself man, you don't know better than Phil Jackson.

Shaq fell back to no one, he has to always be in the dominant position irregardless of who has more experience or who is better.

Shaq didn't play with anyone better than he was until he was past his prime.

 

[Rice N Beans]

Jordan wanted Pippen traded

Negative. FO was gonna trade Pippen for Kemp and Jordan didn't approve.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

MEN shouldnt be allowed? You must not follow any woman on twitter obviously.

Breh I don't even know how to read Twitter. I wouldn't be able to follow someone even if I wanted to.