Kyle Rittenhouse releases statement of events

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A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.

The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time.

from section 939.48 here

Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48

so he broke the law by open-carrying a firearm underage, ergo the law protecting right to self-defense does not apply to him

Agreed. there is plenty to unpack here, along with all the evidence of intent they will find in his social media and his phones, which will pretty much negate these bogus "self defense" claims.
 

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What video? The NYT has accumulated all of the video (to my knowledge) into a timeline. What do you see that makes you sure he'll be convicted?

the last victim backed away from him with his arms up after he shot/killed the 2nd man...dude hesitated and then shot him anyway

first guy chasing him with a plastic bag for pointing the gun at him did not present a deadly immediate threat that warranted being shot much less 5x...you can hear the gunshots...evidence supports it too and one of those shots was to his back
 

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yeah that's clearly not what happened at all, it's on video tape, he was running, tripped, got scared, and killed people. It was premeditated. The statement itself says he went against police orders to go back down the street to protect a mechanic's store. Obviously he cares more about property than people's lives; he's a cold blooded murderer. Post an admission of guilt in your own first press release :heh:

the thing about these press releases is you can tell the lawyer's one of those bible-thumping rednecks who's probably the only lawyer who'd touch this case with a ten foot pole. Those types who happen to be pretty shytty defense attorneys compared to the actual lawyers who know what they're doing.
It's clear from the first page they're really trying to avoid Federal charges with the "it was all in Wisconsin :whoa:"

He'll be lucky to spend life in prison on State charges because Wisconsin doesn't have capital punishment, most likely they'll give him federal charges and give him that sweet sweet lethal injection.

Also, as other users have pointed out, he's like 17 and walking around with an assault rifle - I don't think that's legal.
 

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the last victim backed away from him with his arms up after he shot/killed the 2nd man...dude hesitated and then shot him anyway



The guy with the beige shorts? He was armed with a handgun himself and advancing at the time he was shot.
first guy chasing him with a plastic bag for pointing the gun at him did not present a deadly immediate threat that warranted being shot much less 5x...you can hear the gunshots...evidence supports it too and one of those shots was to his back

That NYT thread shows that Rittenhouses' pursuers fired a shot first. I think this is the most questionable of all the shootings this guy did (:gucci:) , but it's not as clear as you think, IMO. He could very well walk on this shooting.

There is the matter of him being underage with that gun at all, like another poster said, though.
 

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The guy with the beige shorts? He was armed with a handgun himself and advancing at the time he was shot.


That NYT thread shows that Rittenhouses' pursuers fired a shot first. I think this is the most questionable of all the shootings this guy did (:gucci:) , but it's not as clear as you think, IMO. He could very well walk on this shooting.

There is the matter of him being underage with that gun at all, like another poster said, though.

Can you link that thread, I watched lots of videos over and over and didn't see that happen at all.
 

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The guy with the beige shorts? He was armed with a handgun himself and advancing at the time he was shot.

damn...I just watched the one you posted...never seen that closeup...clear as day too

:francis: idk

the first shooting is still janky tho
 

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So they just gone leave out the fact that the mob was chasing him because he had just blown a man's head off:stopitslime:
They didn't leave it out, they said he shot the first guy, then stayed around to make sure he was okay, then more people chased him (obviously because he just shot a guy?) then he shot them again. shyt makes no sense.

"I shot a guy, then I stayed to make sure the guy I just shot was okay, then all those people came with skateboards and I had to shoot them too because I was afraid." is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. What are those people supposed to do? "Oh thanks for shooting that guy, Kyle. Let's all just chill here." No, they're clearly going to be afraid for their lives, which gives them the right to self-defense *not* him.

It's like if a serial killer's argument in court was "Your honor, the person I murdered was scratching me while I attacked them, so I was afraid for my life and killed them in self-defense." Is fukking ludicrous. It's the George Zimmerman Defense, so I see why they're using it, but Wisconsin isn't Florida, so I don't think they have any chance at the murder charges; the only debatable point is whether it's federal or state; one is capital punishment and the other is life in prison, so they're going to double down on the fact that no state lines were crossed.
 

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The guy with the beige shorts? He was armed with a handgun himself and advancing at the time he was shot.


That NYT thread shows that Rittenhouses' pursuers fired a shot first. I think this is the most questionable of all the shootings this guy did (:gucci:) , but it's not as clear as you think, IMO. He could very well walk on this shooting.

There is the matter of him being underage with that gun at all, like another poster said, though.

makes no difference at all. he can't use lethal self-defense as an argument in wisconsin because he was in the act of committing a crime (illegal firearm possession and illegal open carry of a firearm). he cannot use a self-defense excuse.
 

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There was another shot immediately before the pointed out guy that's circled shoots though? Where did that one come from?

I don't think we know... looks further away from the shirtless guy and Rittenhouse, if I'm looking at the right thing.

What I really want to know is why @surf got my wife in his avi. I ain't want to say nothing, but it's starting to bother me...

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makes no difference at all. he can't use lethal self-defense as an argument in wisconsin because he was in the act of committing a crime (illegal firearm possession and illegal open carry of a firearm). he cannot use a self-defense excuse.

This may indeed end up being the case.
 

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the guy had a plastic bag and the gunshots were from him because he was a scared fakkit. its video footage of people saying he was pointing his gun at nikkas and etc all fukking day and footage of the first shooting was basically a situation he provoked. so good luck lying about that shyt. then they said in another presser the gun wasnt his even tho pictures of him with the gun months before the shooting. so he left his at home and asked a random person for another? i hope all the cacs get snuffed
 

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makes no difference at all. he can't use lethal self-defense as an argument in wisconsin because he was in the act of committing a crime (illegal firearm possession and illegal open carry of a firearm). he cannot use a self-defense excuse.

I hope this is true

I know in some states it doesn’t matter...the case I was on (NY) dude used an illegal handgun but bcuz it was deemed self-defense he was only convicted on the weapons charge and got off with time served since he’d been in jail/prison awaiting/during trial

...and it needs to be determined how complicit the mother was in all this...she is just as culpable if she put the rifle in his hands
 

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I hope this is true

I know in some states it doesn’t matter...the case I was on (NY) dude used an illegal handgun but bcuz it was deemed self-defense he was only convicted on the weapons charge and got off on time served since he’d been in jail/prison all during trial
what state are you in? wisconsin law specifically states the privilege of self-defense does not apply if the accused is committing a crime.
A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.

The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time.

from section 939.48 here

Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48

so he broke the law by open-carrying a firearm underage, ergo the law protecting right to self-defense does not apply to him
 
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