Kyrie Irving And The Death Of The Ghetto Superstar

[Inevitable Kobe Turnover]

Basically

https://twitter.com/MrKhalidS

If he spoke about how he hates black women his appearance wouldn't have been brought up.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Y'all in them feelings ...Nothing he said was incorrect, just outdated because the shift has happened for awhile and it's great for the league. No more Sprewell's and Iversons .

What hood were you living in to say only the Sprees and Iverson's of the world were loved?

AI had the NBA's highest selling jersey at the time. The "hood" was responsible for that?

That article blows.

 

[mastermind]

yeah, I cant

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What you highlighted pretty much reaffirmed the sentiment many said in here.

Who the fukk was "punished" in the first place? No one felt that way about Grant Hill and others who came up from prestigious backgrounds. Dude fronting as if we've outgrown some archaic shyt that he overinflated in the first place is corny as fukk.

The only change I've seen is in writers saying there was a change. Black people are drawn or taken away from certain athletes when when the media is shytting on a dude or overrating a brotha at the expense of others. It's really that simple.

That's where the lined is blurred by his experiences and how he perceives things, I can see what he's trying to say (past the over-dramatization). Wait so nobody thought Grant Hill was a Tom on the come up; no black folk have had the perception of their own, who are without that historical background aren't 'legit'? I don't see "A couple of years ago, a friend of mine said the problem with the NBA is there are too many middle-class ballplayers" is taken one opinion into an unjustified area of generalization, but more focussing on what he feels is/was a "mentality" and less an anecdotal-piece of how he came to that conclusion. That is the exact reason why I don't take it as him saying this way of thinking was/is apparent in 99% of nikkas that come from the hood, but that it was an actual real thing.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'll take my L, I did skim

But even that quote, the writer is talking like every kid from the hood had some crazy "Losing Isaiah" type of upbringing. That's not how it really is in a lot of hoods.

The thing with these writers though, is that they do plump shyt up for fuller effect (I generally just look past that). I'm not giving Khalid a pass but I took it as a 'near given', that he wasn't talking about shyt as if he meant EVERYBODY was included in this way of thinking. Especially how I think he knows that not every brother that grew up in the hood, had this type of upbringing.

 

[NYC Rebel]

That's where the lined is blurred by his experiences and how he perceives things, I can see what he's trying to say (past the over-dramatization). Wait so nobody thought Grant Hill was a Tom on the come up; no black folk have had the perception of their own, who are without that historical background aren't 'legit'? I don't see "A couple of years ago, a friend of mine said the problem with the NBA is there are too many middle-class ballplayers" is taken one opinion into an unjustified area of generalization, but more focussing on what he feels is/was a "mentality" and less an anecdotal-piece of how he came to that conclusion. That is the exact reason why I don't take it as him saying this way of thinking was/is apparent in 99% of nikkas that come from the hood, but that it was an actual real thing.

The Grant Hill dislike was more a byproduct of the Duke programs unwillingness to take black players that may leave early or came from the city more than anything else. No one felt that way about Elton Brand who everyone knew was.leaving Duke early. had little to do with Grants upbringing, moreso the type of safe players who'd stay with the program at a time many players did three years at most. This whole because he.waa middle class thing is BS. The same way everyone was feeling AI was the same way there was this dislike for Kobe many, him being pushed as the next MJ more than anything.else as well as the perception of entitlement he.was.viewed to carry.

there are sometimes where players are liked and disliked for the same reasons by different.people. This dudes attempt at segmenting black beliefs were a complete reach.

 

[keond]

this article sucked

 

[ThaBoyBam]

The thing with these writers though, is that they do plump shyt up for fuller effect (I generally just look past that). I'm not giving Khalid a pass but I took it as a 'near given', that he wasn't talking about shyt as if he meant EVERYBODY was included in this way of thinking. Especially how I think he knows that not every brother that grew up in the hood, had this type of upbringing.

I know there's sensationalism here. I just don't like the type of division that these types of articles produce.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The shyt thrown.around.in that.article.is.the.same thing.thrown.on.people.'in the hood" when Obama was first running for office and the belief was that the hood wouldn't deem him "black enough."

But when it was.time to vote, the.hood came out more than any other group.

Seriously......im really tired of the myths tied to.folks from around the.way.

 

[courtdog]

Bruh, Kyrie is light years ahead of Kobe in terms of impact player in the league.
Hobe took years before he was a problem. Shaq taking all the attention is when he really started to SHINE

embarrassing article, hope he gets Rob Parker'd for the stupid shyt in this

Shaddap

Wtf kyrie ain't no hoe nikka

Its accepted in the black community if you go to Duke you a hoe nikka

 

[darkmanp]

I think we are seeing a shift from players from the inner city with raw talent to players who are privledged to have the best training since childhood. Today, we are seeing a lot of 2nd generation ballers. Players who's fathers played in the NBA or pro ball overseas.

These father's know what it takes to make it to the league, so they make sure their gets the best of everything when it comes to helping them improve. They have ball handling coaches, shooting coaches, conditioning coaches, etc.

Clear examples are
Kyrie Irving
Step and Seth Curry
Austin Rivers
Kobe

They work on their skills from an early age, and don't let them play in typical pick-up/streetball games. It's organized ball all the time.

My cousin's step-son plays for Chris Paul's AAU team in NC, and won't let him step foot on the court to play pick up ball when he comes to visit.

They don't all turn out to be stars though (Jordan's kids).

 

[courtdog]

Basically

https://twitter.com/MrKhalidS

Whats Nas got to do with this

 

[feelosofer]

The Grant Hill dislike was more a byproduct of the Duke programs unwillingness to take black players that may leave early or came from the city more than anything else. No one felt that way about Elton Brand who everyone knew was.leaving Duke early. had little to do with Grants upbringing, moreso the type of safe players who'd stay with the program at a time many players did three years at most. This whole because he.waa middle class thing is BS. The same way everyone was feeling AI was the same way there was this dislike for Kobe many, him being pushed as the next MJ more than anything.else as well as the perception of entitlement he.was.viewed to carry.

there are sometimes where players are liked and disliked for the same reasons by different.people. This dudes attempt at segmenting black beliefs were a complete reach.

Pretty much this, people hated Duke but Grant Hill was generally welled liked. I think this article again attempts to paint Blacks as a monolith and it is just not so. People respect Kyries skills as a player more so than any scrutiny of his background. That was the case with Iverson too in the early 2000's, ones story is just ketchup on the hamburger in a sense.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Grant Hill dislike was more a byproduct of the Duke programs unwillingness to take black players that may leave early or came from the city more than anything else. No one felt that way about Elton Brand who everyone knew was.leaving Duke early. had little to do with Grants upbringing, moreso the type of safe players who'd stay with the program at a time many players did three years at most.

But that doesn't disregard ALL the folk who didn't have knowledge of the whole situation, who did think of Hill in a Tom-type of manner (no then larger future picture of Brand/Maggette) or who didn't have a larger knowledge/perspective of things. Or that any of these pigeon-hold stigmas, that were blown up to greater heights from byproducts (Marbury/Iverson) weren't actually a realistic thing - but not the ideology of everyone.

The same way everyone was feeling AI was the same way there was this dislike for Kobe many, him being pushed as the next MJ more than anything.else as well as the perception of entitlement he.was.viewed to carry.

there are sometimes where players are liked and disliked for the same reasons by different.people. This dudes attempt at segmenting black beliefs were a complete reach.

I don't argue that (in fact I'm not even arguing that I agree with his piece), but as I said I don't take it as he's saying that EVERYBODY in the hood had those beliefs, but more so he's talking about the 'crabs' that did have that mentality.

 

[ProfessorEdee]

Whole article sounds like a discussion he was having with a white guy and say, "Hey, that's a great write-up!"