Kyrie vs Wall

[Originalgangsta317]

Takeover ability is what makes Westbrook Westbrook though. You get burned disrespecting him like teams do Wall on a regular basis by daring him to take shots that every other great PG would seize the opportunity of. Yeah he's big, but does he post up? Because that's why Westbrook shot 50% from 2 this season. He's not taking full advantage of his size yet.

The 20 Wall scores is inefficient. He should never be averaging that much on a great offense because he's not a great scorer, the 10 assists comes with a bunch of awful turnovers and he's not locking people up. Not really about talent he just needs to be better. Wiz would have been better if he played like the best PG in the conference

I'm not trying to debate Westbrook vs Wall,Westbrook is the best Pg in the league so I agree with you on all points regarding Westbrook.

I'm talking about Wall can Kyrie.

Yes what you say about Wall is true,but it translates to winning he gets the job done.

Kyrie wasn't doing that.

 

[thenatural]

Yea I see where this thread going.

Kyrie can't lead a team to the playoffs as the top guy,Wall can

Now that Kyrie has Lebron and Love y'all forget his shortcomings when he was by himself.

Wall is better than Kyrie

Injury prone, slight gunner, not a huge facilitator, not a great defender. I know Kyrie's shortcomings and I'll still take them over Wall. You in here acting like Wall has been to the playoffs ever year he's been in the league. First three years, they didn't crack 30 wins. Is it all Wall's fault? No, but if you're going to apply that same logic to Kyrie, you need to apply it to Wall. Kyrie had some really bad players on those Cleveland teams.

 

[Originalgangsta317]

Injury prone, slight gunner, not a huge facilitator, not a great defender. I know Kyrie's shortcomings and I'll still take them over Wall. You in here acting like Wall has been to the playoffs ever year he's been in the league. First three years, they didn't crack 30 wins. Is it all Wall's fault? No, but if you're going to apply that same logic to Kyrie, you need to apply it to Wall. Kyrie had some really bad players on those Cleveland teams.

I'm not acting like anything.

You cats get mad when facts and truth are bought up.

Wall has proved he can lead a team with him being the main guy to the playoffs,Kyrie hasn't.

And Wall team wasn't all that great either.

Fact is tho Kyrie won a total of 78 games before Lebron came

Only averaged about 5 assist before Lebron and about 4.5 WITH Lebron

Kyrie is an ultra talented scorer nothing more nothing less and if I'm starting a team and I have to choose between Wall and Kyrie I'm going with Wall

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

Wall averaged 20,10,5 this year.

Everytime Wall been to the playoffs it's because he lead his team,so he's already proved he can lead a team to the playoffs as the main guy.

Kyrie nice but without Lebron he'd still be a no show in the playoffs and putting up empty numbers in Cleveland.

Wall>>Kyrie

This is how I feel.....

If you asked me to I'd want to lead my team or be the best player on my team is say wall


If you ask you'd I rather have next to LeBron I'd say Kyrie

 

[Originalgangsta317]

This is how I feel.....

If you asked me to uni want to lead my team or be the best player on my team is say wall


If you ask you'd I rather have next to LeBron I'd say Kyrie

Exactly.

I've been saying Kyrie is the better fit for that team in Cleveland.

But Wall overall is the better player

 

[Consumed]

I'm not trying to debate Westbrook vs Wall,Westbrook is the best Pg in the league so I agree with you on all points regarding Westbrook.

I'm talking about Wall can Kyrie.

Yes what you say about Wall is true,but it translates to winning he gets the job done.

Kyrie wasn't doing that.

Kyrie just did that though. After falling down 0-2 the man averages 30 on 50% against a top 5 defense in the NBA Finals to help bring his franchise a championship, and this postseason as a whole is the best basketball he's ever played in his career. Not really fair to compare him now to when he was 21 years old on a terribly constructed Cavs team. At that same age Wall was leading the Wizards to 20 wins and the pick that got Bradley Beal

 

[Originalgangsta317]

Kyrie just did that though. After falling down 0-2 the man averages 30 on 50% against a top 5 defense in the NBA Finals to help bring his franchise a championship, and this postseason as a whole is the best basketball he's ever played in his career. Not really fair to compare him now to when he was 21 years old on a terribly constructed Cavs team. At that same age Wall was leading the Wizards to 20 wins and the pick that got Bradley Beal

He got Lebron fukkin James bruh

The team he is on just won the Championship,meaning they have a great solid top to bottom team.

I'm not taking anything away from Kyrie but y'all forgetting he got prolly the best cat to ever do it on his team my man.

When we look at Wall and Kyrie as the main guys to lead their teams,Wall>> Kyrie

 

[Consumed]

He got Lebron fukkin James bruh

The team he is on just won the Championship,meaning they have a great solid top to bottom team.

I'm not taking anything away from Kyrie but y'all forgetting he got prolly the best cat to ever do it on his team my man.

When we look at Wall and Kyrie as the main guys to lead their teams,Wall>> Kyrie

He does, and he's still the the best halfcourt scorer/shooter on the roster that helps LeBron in areas where he's weak. The Cavs were very much a two headed monster in the Finals when the role players struggled to step up like in previous series.

Only reason I can see Wall > Kyrie is because he's not as injury prone, but he just got surgery on both knees so who knows now. Kyrie can lead a team to success too

 

[Houston911]

Kyrie

 

[Originalgangsta317]

He does, and he's still the the best halfcourt scorer/shooter on the roster that helps LeBron in areas where he's weak. The Cavs were very much a two headed monster in the Finals when the role players struggled to step up like in previous series.

Only reason I can see Wall > Kyrie is because he's not as injury prone, but he just got surgery on both knees so who knows now. Kyrie can lead a team to success too

Well until Kyrie can do it by himself we'll never know if he can lead a team to success by himself,shyt is a helluva lot easier when you get the best player this era to help you.

Kyrie went from not making the playoffs to two straight finals appearances and one of those he got a ring

Meaning a DRASTIC change was made to help him,because he needed it.

Kyries playing style as the main guy will never lead to success,he makes no one better.

But y'all can keep thinking him teaming up with Lebron now gives him the edge over guys who he is not better than.

Westbrook
Curry
Cp3
Wall

Are all better than Kyrie and Lillard is right there tied with Kyrie for 5th best PG in the league

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

Yea I see where this thread going.

Kyrie can't lead a team to the playoffs as the top guy,Wall can

Now that Kyrie has Lebron and Love y'all forget his shortcomings when he was by himself.

Wall is better than Kyrie

agreed, how thickheaded people gotta be to see this?

Just say you like guys who shoot pretty contested jumpshots, cause in overall game Kyrie aint fukking with wall

 

[stepbackj34spud]

John Wall is ass.. Kyrie's jumpshots Nd scoring ability alone puts him over Wall.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Well until Kyrie can do it by himself we'll never know if he can lead a team to success by himself,shyt is a helluva lot easier when you get the best player this era to help you.

Kyrie went from not making the playoffs to two straight finals appearances and one of those he got a ring

Meaning a DRASTIC change was made to help him,because he needed it.

Kyries playing style as the main guy will never lead to success,he makes no one better.

But y'all can keep thinking him teaming up with Lebron now gives him the edge over guys who he is not better than.

Westbrook
Curry
Cp3
Wall

Are all better than Kyrie and Lillard is right there tied with Kyrie for 5th best PG in the league

Yup.

And don't forget that Lebron swept the Hawks and got 2 against a healthy Warriors WITHOUT Kyrie. Dray mind doesn't get himself suspended, and we might actually be saying the Cavs did WORSE this year with Kyrie than last year without him. (Which wouldn't be fair, but I'm just pointing out this team was still very, very good without him even on the floor.)

 

[Originalgangsta317]

John Wall is ass.. Kyrie's jumpshots Nd scoring ability alone puts him over Wall.

nikka get outta here

 

[Originalgangsta317]

Yup.

And don't forget that Lebron swept the Hawks and got 2 against a healthy Warriors WITHOUT Kyrie. Dray mind doesn't get himself suspended, and we might actually be saying the Cavs did WORSE this year with Kyrie than last year without him. (Which wouldn't be fair, but I'm just pointing out this team was still very, very good without him even on the floor.)

They forgetting all of this bruh,and I knew that people would go off of Kyrie with Lebron instead of Kyrie without Lebron