If this is being "submissive", what are you like normally
These are basic ground rules for being likeable for anybody- men or women
Ladies Ever Consider Submission as a Way to Win?
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If this is being "submissive", what are you like normally
These are basic ground rules for being likeable for anybody- men or women
If this is being "submissive", what are you like normally
No it's really not. Most women aren't like that. You should know that by now. You've been on this forum long enough.
Yes there is a lot of power in submission once you don't think of it as something demeaning.
I don't think submission is something you should "practice". It's not a standard set of behaviors either, it sort of happens naturally depending on the guy. You can be an argumentative female, but if a guy tells you he won't communicate with you if you behave that way, then you have a choice to change the way you communicate or find some weak lame to argue with. Submission isn't about NOT having an opinion, but offering your opinion when asked or necessary. Necessary is like "I'm going to take pics of me picking up drugs and post them on instagram"..."Say Breh that's probably not a good idea" 
If a dude fukks with you, he values your opinion and will ask for it often.
If a dude fukks with you, he values your opinion and will ask for it often.
I don't think submission is something you should "practice". It's not a standard set of behaviors either, it sort of happens naturally depending on the guy. You can be an argumentative female, but if a guy tells you he won't communicate with you if you behave that way, then you have a choice to change the way you communicate or find some weak lame to argue with. Submission isn't about NOT having an opinion, but offering your opinion when asked or necessary. Necessary is like "I'm going to take pics of me picking up drugs and post them on instagram"..."Say Breh that's probably not a good idea"
Nah I don't think you're right at all. Submission is a behavior/mindset and you don't just start acting a new way all of a sudden. Also if he needs to tell you how to behave then it obviously doesn't come to you naturally. Why would a good dude with options want to have to tell a grown woman how to act? If submission came so naturally to women then you wouldn't have so many men complaining about.
I also I never said anything about NOT having an opinion. Not sure why you even said that.
i would cuss you out, but i guess that would go against the premise of the thread
And he would love every second of it. Cursing someone out doesn't impact submissiveness.
This is the thing though most women (in western culture) don't know how to be or don't want to be "submissive". If someone is use to being opinionated and argumentative that shyt doesn't go away over night. If you've living your whole life one way you don't change all of a sudden.
We can agree to disagree. The men that often bytch about women not submitting are crap leaders or they haven't learned the proper definition of what it should be. This is why they face such resistance from women but if they are lucky they meet a female like you willing to "practice" it with them. How long before you get tired of pretending that's who you really are?
For other men it happens naturally because they set standards of how they want to be treated early on, which is very different than telling someone how to behave. As a woman you WILL naturally submit to a man that has set standards. You will change your behavior and approach without it being a second thought. This is what I mean by it happening "naturally".
It never goes away, but if a dude you like tells you he won't communicate with you if you're going to be that way, you will figure out a different way. You won't have to try hard either. The way you're doing it just comes off as phoney. LIke the chick that's the perfect gf/fiance but then turns into the bytch wife after the nuptials.
It'e seems to be something the majority of men want; not just losers or bad leaders. You know this.
I have yet to meet an argumentative person who stops being that way all of a sudden for any reason including the "right" man. I hear you and other women say this but this is not something that I have actually seen happen. The "one day I might be a decent partner if I met someone who is decent" argument sounds silly. Everyone knows you dress for the job you want and not the one you have.
Also a sarcastic remark or a confrontational stance doesn't define me. I'm a person who has already lived many different lives b/c I like to experience new things and I have no problem adjusting for my behavior for success. I've done it before and I will do it until the day I die. If being kinder to people gets me what I want then why not? It's certainly easier on my blood pressure.
But yes, let's agree to disagree.
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So pretending not to be argumentative b/c someone told you to do so is not "phony" but acceptable. However, attempting to treat people in a more positive manner on your own accord inorder to prepare yourself for a positive relationship is "phony" and trying too hard.
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Woman. Married. Submission.
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From day to day, person to person, scenario to scenario I find it difficult to submit:
This is my problem - I tend to get STUCK on HOW I am approached or asked to do something (I get met with a lot of entitlement)...then I don't want to expend the energy to redirect the interaction [Because I get consumed with thinking the person should know better]. However, if it is something that I just have to have then I will 'roll up my sleeves' and strategize to swing the outcome in my favor.
You are on the right track though as you are not being "reactive" so to speak but "redirecting" the interaction. Great.
Yes but I am not only "redirecting" but also being proactive by setting the tone. I am realizing that if I take my time and allow situations to play out before I react the attack/entitlement/disrespect that I initially perceived was not the person's intentions at all. Less seems to be more.