Lamar's Legacy Tracker...

[Red Money]

Bruh, during the contract disputes, you have to remember his MVP was 3 years prior. In that 3 years, he hasnt played in the playoffs, he'd finished the previous two years injured, and his playoff career he'd lost 3 of his 4 games. There was cause to hesitate on giving him the money...

He bet on himself and now we all win because not only was he worth every cent, I can't say this enough, he's so much better than he's ever been. It's almost like a different player...

But there was reason to question giving him the money...

People act like Randall Cunningham ain't take over Lamar's body this year as the season progressed... . He standing in the pocket and creating space in the pocket like a real gangsta at the position and running if need be. His eyes down field like a top NFL QB is supposed to do.


Granted Lamar gets props at times for completing passes against blown coverage from the media like he's in remedial classes. But considering Lamar had ball placement issues for years...I get it.

 

[BrehWyatt]

But my point is why are we not holding him to the same standard? He was taken before Lamar and a lot of people believe he's has the most potential of all QBs so why do we not say he's underachieving since a guy who was told he couldn't play the position has more MVPs than him. I like Allen and think he's a great QB, I don't even think he's the fault for the Bills failures but it's funny how Lamar gets held to a different standard.

Because we've not only seen Josh win games in the playoffs, we've seen him play like gangbusters along the way. Lamar has yet to have a truly good, let alone great playoff performance.

 

[Problematic Pat]

 

[Blessings]

Because we've not only seen Josh win games in the playoffs, we've seen him play like gangbusters along the way. Lamar has yet to have a truly good, let alone great playoff performance.

We seen Josh get bailed out by his WR1 Diggs. Lamar has yet to play with a legit WR1 tier WR.

Mahomes winning without Hill was impressive.

Stafford needed Kupp
Burrow needs Chase/Higgins.


Y’all giving Josh too much credit for almost beating Mahomes

 

[Alvin]

I didn’t know Kurt Warner won two mvps

That greatest show on turf team was incredible, not to mention his story is nuts.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

We seen Josh get bailed out by his WR1 Diggs. Lamar has yet to play with a legit WR1 tier WR.

Mahomes winning without Hill was impressive.

Stafford needed Kupp
Burrow needs Chase/Higgins.


Y’all giving Josh too much credit for almost beating Mahomes

I feel for Mahomes. After watching Lamar go through that it sucks to see an organization fail a player like that. The Bills have done the same to Allen in a way as well.

 

[Red Money]

We seen Josh get bailed out by his WR1 Diggs. Lamar has yet to play with a legit WR1 tier WR.

Mahomes winning without Hill was impressive.

Stafford needed Kupp
Burrow needs Chase/Higgins.


Y’all giving Josh too much credit for almost beating Mahomes

He got on par or better talent than the 2011 or 2012 Ravens that made at least AFC title game.

 

[BrehWyatt]

We seen Josh get bailed out by his WR1 Diggs. Lamar has yet to play with a legit WR1 tier WR.

Mahomes winning without Hill was impressive.

Stafford needed Kupp
Burrow needs Chase/Higgins.


Y’all giving Josh too much credit for almost beating Mahomes

The Ravens built an offense around Lamar that helped him become an unanimous MVP despite not having a Tier 1 WR. He does have a Tier 1 pass catcher in Mark Andrews, but he got hurt this year. That said, the Ravens have tried to get him one -- they drafted Hollywood Brown, Devin Duvernay, Rashod Bateman and Zay Flowers in various years. It just hasn't panned out yet though Flowers looks like the one.

So they've made the effort short of throwing the bag at somebody in free agency, but Hollywood had 91 catches for a 1000 yards in his last year and asked for a trade because he felt the offense wasn't WR-friendly enough for him. I can't imagine he wasn't the only notable WR who looked at Baltimore and felt that way.

I digress. Point being, Diggs' playoff numbers with Josh aren't as awesome as one would assume when compared to Josh's entire playoff numbers.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

The Ravens built an offense around Lamar that helped him become an unanimous MVP despite not having a Tier 1 WR. He does have a Tier 1 pass catcher in Mark Andrews, but he got hurt this year. That said, the Ravens have tried to get him one -- they drafted Hollywood Brown, Devin Duvernay, Rashod Bateman and Zay Flowers in various years. It just hasn't panned out yet though Flowers looks like the one.

So they've made the effort short of throwing the bag at somebody in free agency, but Hollywood had 91 catches for a 1000 yards in his last year and asked for a trade because he felt the offense wasn't WR-friendly enough for him. I can't imagine he wasn't the only notable WR who looked at Baltimore and felt that way.

I digress. Point being, Diggs' playoff numbers with Josh aren't as awesome as one would assume when compared to Josh's entire playoff numbers.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That greatest show on turf team was incredible, not to mention his story is nuts.

First and I think still the only team to score 500+ points in 3 straight seasons

I feel for Mahomes. After watching Lamar go through that it sucks to see an organization fail a player like that. The Bills have done the same to Allen in a way as well.

I still don’t get how a team built around its offense would trade away Tyreek Hill

 

[Shadow King]

Let him win a Super Bowl first before we start talking legacies

Shaun Alexander, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson and Steve McNair all have MVPs aren't in the HOF

But do they have 2? If he were to never win a ring but get this 2nd MVP, that's a different conversation then those names.

 

[Blessings]

But do they have 2? If he were to never win a ring but get this 2nd MVP, that's a different conversation then those names.

Some of these guys are so thirsty to hate they lose the ability to comprehend what they’re reading.

 

[Regular_P]

Well Josh hasn't peaked as high as Lamar so simply put there aren't as many eyes on him. And because Lamar is excelling after being told to switch positions, look Allen is polarizing but Lamar is just a higher profile player. He was better than Allen to start their careers, he peaked higher than Allen, he's better than Allen now...

Also, winning an MVP in Y2 is some Marino shyt, all eyes are gonna be on you. And Allen has also led an AFC Championship run and multiple playoff wins...

The heat is coming soon for Allen too, the deeper he gets into his career with no extensive playoff success. I truly believe that...

I'll push back on this. Lamar's gonna have the two MVPs but Allen's been a monster too. His best seasons have just happened to be at the same time as Rodgers and Mahomes having all-time years.

In 2020 he had 45 total touchdowns and 5,000 yards between passing and rushing. Problem was, Rodgers had 48 touchdowns and only 5 picks (). In 2022, Mahomes had 5,250 yards and 41 TDs AFTER trading away Tyreek Hill.

Career numbers aren't even close either. Allen has way more yards and touchdowns. Playoff numbers are even worse. Allen has 17/4 TD/INT splits and Lamar is 3/5.

But all that goes away if the Ravens win the Super Bowl this season and Lamar balls out along the way. Everything goes out the window when you get that first one. I hope he plays great in the postseason because all he's done is win with whatever's around him since he got into the league.

 

[murksiderock]

I'll push back on this. Lamar's gonna have the two MVPs but Allen's been a monster too. His best seasons have just happened to be at the same time as Rodgers and Mahomes having all-time years.

In 2020 he had 45 total touchdowns and 5,000 yards between passing and rushing. Problem was, Rodgers had 48 touchdowns and only 5 picks (). In 2022, Mahomes had 5,250 yards and 41 TDs AFTER trading away Tyreek Hill.

Career numbers aren't even close either. Allen has way more yards and touchdowns. Playoff numbers are even worse. Allen has 17/4 TD/INT splits and Lamar is 3/5.

But all that goes away if the Ravens win the Super Bowl this season and Lamar balls out along the way. Everything goes out the window when you get that first one. I hope he plays great in the postseason because all he's done is win with whatever's around him since he got into the league.

Oh yeah listen bruh, I'm an Allen advocate, I'm not one of his detractors. I'm just responding to the poster who asked why is there more criticism of Lamar than Allen presently...

Allen's peak play is on par with anyone but there are three contrasts with Lamar: 1, Lamar just simply isn't as turnover prone, not as a passer nor a ball carrier, and the proof of this has bore itself out over their careers; 2, Lamar consistently wins more---->Lamar has never lost more than 5 games in a season, this is Allen's 4th year with 6 losses; and 3, Lamar seems to elevate the talent around him to a higher degree. That Baltimore offense has never had a Diggs level receiver nor a Cook-level back, I'd argue he's never even had a #2 as good as Gabe Davis....

Lamar won an MVP with two different OC's should he win this year again. Josh has been more roller coaster and less consistently great, but I'll repeat, Josh's A-game is right there with everyone. But who's A-game are you more likely to get week in, week out?

 

[Trav]

Clock is ticking @murksiderock