Lebron and Kobe

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Because we are talking about Lebron?

This is not a Kobe vs Melo, Tmac, Iverson etc debate where consistency wouldn't matter.

Kobe is not as consistent as LEBRON. This is not some random player we are talking about. Consistency is one of Lebron's greatest strengths. You nikkas kill me with this shyt.

And I'm asking HOW

We got damn near 2 decades look at and ask, "Where did Kobe fall off?" That's consistency and longevity wrapped in one. Y'all talkin' like Kobe goes on scoring outbursts, and then plays sub-par for the rest of the season: No . He'll go to God mode for a stretch of 40 point games, and the he'll come back down to above average and give you 28, 30, 24 and so forth. He's always been a 6 assist guy, and he can always get you the rebounds, despite his size and position

The place where I see Lebron shine over Kobe, outside of physical gifts, is shot selection, and team defense, but they both have been consistently dominant throughout their careers on different levels

 

[GreatestLaker]

How can anyone bring consistency in a Kobe debate ? No one can deny his consistency, especially when you look any player in history at his position, besides Jordan, that could put up his numbers and change games in a quarter or 2. Hell, younger players in the league right now struggle to string together a months worth of games where they can average what he averages in a single season

Another thing I'm going to say. Things like consistency matters when you're comparing GOAT level players. We aren't comparing all-stars to scrubs. Every little detail matters when you're comparing players that are very close in talent and skill.

If you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[the kid]

Bean is the better basketball player. Its pretty simple really. Bron has God given athletic gifts. An athletic marvel. Bean plays basketball. History will prove this out.

 

[kingofnyc]

fukk averages
Kobe is a better scorer, shooter and defender.

 

[GreatestLaker]

And I'm asking HOW

We got damn near 2 decades look at and ask, "Where did Kobe fall off?" That's consistency and longevity wrapped in one. Y'all talkin' like Kobe goes on scoring outbursts, and then plays sub-par for the rest of the season: No . He'll go to God mode for a stretch of 40 point games, and the he'll come back down to above average and give you 28, 30, 24 and so forth. He's always been a 6 assist guy, and he can always get you the rebounds, despite his size and position

The place where I see Lebron shine over Kobe, outside of physical gifts, is shot selection, and team defense, but they both have been consistently dominant throughout their careers on different levels

Why is it that Kobe would have a month where he averages on 40 on 50% shooting, but for the season he would average 28 on 45%? Because he had other stretches in that very season where he would average 18 on 38% that would bring down his averages. That's what I'm talking about when I mention consistency. Lebron would go out there and drop 28 every night, but he wouldn't have the high scoring games that Kobe had, but he wouldn't have the low scoring games that Kobe had either.

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Another thing I'm going to say. Things like consistency matters when you're comparing GOAT level players. We aren't comparing all-stars to scrubs. Every little detail matters when you're comparing players that are very close in talent and skill.

If you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.

Where did I bring up scrubs tho? Alot of people, GOATs included, haven't done what he's done for as long as he's done it at his level. And we all should unanimously have Bron in the GOAT category, so if we're judging on overall consistency, the jury is still out on the consistency argument for him considering his age when it comes to measuring greats

 

[Malik]

Kobe and Shaq were blessing and a curse to each other. Numbers don't tell the whole story about Kobe Bryant.

Those two stole mvp votes from one another, and they lowered their stats playing together. I think Prime Shaq could have broke 32ppg if he didn't have another kid taking 20 shots a game. And Kobe would have ridiculous career stats (multiple 30 point seasons) if he was the primary scorer on his team for his first 8 years.

Numbers lie. That career average doesn't tell you that Kobe sacrificed his numbers for 8 years and that his numbers shot up the second he got his own squad. But I doubt Kobe would trade 5 rings for prettier stats

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Why is it that Kobe would have a month where he averages on 40 on 50% shooting, but for the season he would average 28 on 45%? Because he had other stretches in that very season where he would average 18 on 38% that would bring down his averages. That's what I'm talking about when I mention consistency. Lebron would go out there and drop 28 every night, but he wouldn't have the high scoring games that Kobe had, but he wouldn't have the low scoring games that Kobe had either.

They're called bad stretches, everyone has them . At the end of the seasons, statistically, these dudes have been in the top 5 respectively because of their consistency, and they're never far too apart in terms of measuring their consistency any higher level than the other, no matter how fans want to nitpick

 

[GreatestLaker]

They're called bad stretches, everyone has them . At the end of the seasons, statistically, these dudes have been in the top 5 respectively because of their consistency, and they're never far too apart in terms of measuring their consistency any higher level than the other, no matter how fans want to nitpick

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

 

[Dwight Howard]

Consistency is pretty irrelevant in this case. When you consider player A admittedly pads his FG% while player B doesnt give a damn, it makes the comparison pointless. I mean, Player C is shooting a worse clip than player A this year, but he has EASILY surpassed him as a better scorer, despite not being as 'consistent'.

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Bean is the better basketball player. Its pretty simple really. Bron has God given athletic gifts. An athletic marvel. Bean plays basketball. History will prove this out.

It's great watching him play. Inside, outside, post moves, shot fakes, head fakes, footwork, shooting off the catch or off the dribble, and shot attempts that turn into . Any quarter, he can go to a different level and just . The only thing that every gets me angry is when he doesn't respect his man enough to play lock-down D or when he roams, but I'll take it



As much as I watch basketball, and I do watch alot, I can honestly say, as great as Lebron is, I have never in my life decided that I was going to sit and watch a Cleveland or Heat game unless it was a marquee match-up; He doesn't excite me. The only other player I can watch in any game besides Kobe is He stays on 100 the whole game, just relentless

 

[Draje]

Numbers lie....because nikkas like you manipulate them to suit your agenda. The difference between 50% and 45% is one shot. A player shoots 10 for 20, another player shoots 9 for 20. That's one shot nikka and we see Lebron shy away from multiple shots throughout every game Nikkas like Kobe and Russell Westbrook will heave that shiit at the end of the first half with no fukks given. Nikkas like Lebron won't to protect their percentage. Kobe will throw up that shot with 2 seconds to go in the game. Lebron will pass it to Chalmers instead of taking it himself.


You also discount the fact that Lebron plays with Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen, which is why he's become so efficient. He wasn't anywhere near a 60% clip in Cleveland. You can't be that efficient when you're the primary scorer and the entire d collapses on you.....instead of having three allstars to pass to in Miami. Another fact you choose to ignore......Wade and Bosh's field goal percentage shot up after they started playing together too.


Lebron can't average 35 a game. You can't put up that many points over 82 games on layups, free throws and dunks. Lebron can't score 81 points, average 50 points over 4-5 games or 62 points in 3 quarters because his offensive game isn't as complete as Kobe's is. If it was Boris Diaw wouldn't have put the clamps on him and the Spurs "let him shoot" approach wouldn't have worked for 5 games in the Finals. Stop discrediting the things Kobe did. It makes you look like a clown.


Now....I can see Kevin Durant doing the things Kobe Bryant did in his career. Kevin Durant might even do it better. But Lebron won't ever be that type of player

All this BS can be denied by the fact that Lebron averaged 30 PPG, on Cleveland, on 50% which is still more impressive than any season Bean has done.

Kobe averages 31 on 22 shots, or 36 on 27, Lebrob averaged 30 three times on Cleveland on higher FG% than Kobe ever sniffed.

Bye.

 

[Draje]

Consistency is pretty irrelevant in this case. When you consider player A admittedly pads his FG% while player B doesnt give a damn, it makes the comparison pointless. I mean, Player C is shooting a worse clip than player A this year, but he has EASILY surpassed him as a better scorer, despite not being as 'consistent'.

How is being stupid about shot selection a flaw?

Lebron scores Kobe numbers on better efficiency. If he's TRYING to do that, how does that diminish it? If two players score a similar amount of PPG, the more efficient scorer did better.

 

[Poitier]

Kobe can score from anywhere on the floor consistently. Put Boris Diaw on Lebron and he only becomes effective in transition and in the paint, which is why his efficiency is so high. Kobe is just the better overall player.