Lebron and Kobe

[GreatestLaker]

Breh you just said that Charles was a better scorer (I said he wasn't) but then post HIM saying that Malone was a better scorer

So the stats show hat Malone at his peak dropped 31 pr game, Shaq's peak was 29. Malone dropped at least 20 ppg in 17 straight seasons, Shaq dropped 20ppg in 13 straight. Malone had 12 seasons of 25 ppg and Shaq had 10 seasons of 25 ppg.

Notice how the posts keep moving. I'm stopping right here.

Yup lets ignore efficiency and how they scored their points.

You're missing an important part of quote where Barkley said.

The only thing he could do better than me was score and that came down to John Stockton.

Iverson scored more points than Kobe in the early 2000's. Going by your logic he was a better scorer.

 

[malbaker86]

Numbers lie....because nikkas like you manipulate them to suit your agenda. The difference between 50% and 45% is one shot. A player shoots 10 for 20, another player shoots 9 for 20. That's one shot nikka and we see Lebron shy away from multiple shots throughout every game Nikkas like Kobe and Russell Westbrook will heave that shiit at the end of the first half with no fukks given. Nikkas like Lebron won't to protect their percentage. Kobe will throw up that shot with 2 seconds to go in the game. Lebron will pass it to Chalmers instead of taking it himself.


You also discount the fact that Lebron plays with Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen, which is why he's become so efficient. He wasn't anywhere near a 60% clip in Cleveland. You can't be that efficient when you're the primary scorer and the entire d collapses on you.....instead of having three allstars to pass to in Miami. Another fact you choose to ignore......Wade and Bosh's field goal percentage shot up after they started playing together too.


Lebron can't average 35 a game. You can't put up that many points over 82 games on layups, free throws and dunks. Lebron can't score 81 points, average 50 points over 4-5 games or 62 points in 3 quarters because his offensive game isn't as complete as Kobe's is. If it was Boris Diaw wouldn't have put the clamps on him and the Spurs "let him shoot" approach wouldn't have worked for 5 games in the Finals. Stop discrediting the things Kobe did. It makes you look like a clown.


Now....I can see Kevin Durant doing the things Kobe Bryant did in his career. Kevin Durant might even do it better. But Lebron won't ever be that type of player

Kobe FORCES more shots than Bron but you make a good point

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Yup lets ignore efficiency and how they scored their points.




Iverson scored more points than Kobe in the early 2000's. Going by your logic he was a better scorer.

We went from Malone not being in the same class of scoring in their primes to efficiency and HOW they scored their points?FYI Malone scored in more ways than Shaq and was a very efficient 50% plus shooter despite shooting waaay more jumpers than Shaq, who didn't shoot jumpers. tAI being a better scorer according to my logic? Wtf breh? You're EVERYWHERE. I killed your Malone/Shaq argument, actually YOU did that with the stats you tried to use as proof.

 

[Draje]

@Draje I need your rebuttal to this.

Kareem's consistent dominance and efficiency gets him a pass to me plus the sky hook is liked the most unguardable shot of all time.

Kobe's Peaks are impressive but I prefer consistent dominance over a season. I'll take a season of Lenron over anything Kobe has done.

 

[GreatestLaker]

We went from Malone not being in the same class of scoring in their primes to efficiency and HOW they scored their points?FYI Malone scored in more ways than Shaq and was a very efficient 50% plus shooter despite shooting waaay more jumpers than Shaq, who didn't shoot jumpers. tAI being a better scorer according to my logic? Wtf breh? You're EVERYWHERE. I killed your Malone/Shaq argument, actually YOU did that with the stats you tried to use as proof.

You didn't kill shyt. How is Karl a better scorer than Shaq? When Shaq was more efficient and wasn't as easy to stop? Malone's efficiency went down in the playoffs whereas Shaq's scoring averages went up and so did his efficiency.

Now Barkley vs Malone. Barkley was more efficient and he was better at creating his own shot. Again he was still around 60TS% in the playoffs and Malone's dipped 5 percentage points. That's why Malone always had a reputation as a choker, because he never could duplicate his regular season success in the playoffs while other superstars didn't have that trouble. Malone scored more points because he attempted more shots and he had Stockton spoon feeding him. Malone was not a better scorer than Charles or Shaq. You can make a strong case that Malone isn't even one of the 10 best scorers in league history.

 

[Draje]

Kobe putting up 35ppg > Lebron putting up 30ppg

Unless you're one of those nutjobs that think Bron could score 5 more points that easily. Those five extra points a game over 82 games would drop his fg% to Kobe's fg% or probably lower. I think lower

So those five extra points would drop Lebron to Kobe percentages and he'd still be better IN EVERY OTHER CATEGORY!

So Lebron us just as effective a scorer as Kobe and better in every other aspect.

 

[Draje]

Pretty much. Kobe doesn't give a damn about his fg%. You could even see that last year when teams were purposely fouling dwight to get him to the free throw line. Kobe was jacking up half court shots like they were nothing just trying to help the team out by scoring before they fouled dwight. Could you imagine lebron doing what kobe did in his place? No, lebron cares too much about his fg% to take bail out shots or anything that would risk making his stats look worst. Lebron is an admitted stat protector. Nice try though OP

You're not saying anything. Kobe cares less and isn't as good. Lebron is smarter and plays better basketball.

And?

Lebron takes more efficient shots because he has one of the worst rebounding teams of all time and he prefers to make the most of each possession. Shot selection is a good quality, Breh.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

You didn't kill shyt. How is Karl a better scorer than Shaq? When Shaq was more efficient and wasn't as easy to stop? Malone's efficiency went down in the playoffs whereas Shaq's scoring averages went up and so did his efficiency.

Now Barkley to Malone. Barkley was more efficient and he was better at creating his own shot. Again he was still around 60TS% in the playoffs and Malone's dipped 5 percentage points. That's why Malone always had a reputation as a choker, because he never could duplicate his regular season success in the playoffs while other superstars didn't have that trouble. Malone scored more points because he attempted more shots and he had Stockton spoon feeding him. Malone was not a better scorer than Charles or Shaq. You can make a strong case that Malone isn't even one of the 10 best scorers in league history.

Kareem's consistent dominance and efficiency gets him a pass to me plus the sky hook is liked the most unguardable shot of all time.

Kobe's Peaks are impressive but I prefer consistent dominance over a season. I'll take a season of Lenron over anything Kobe has done.

To both of you goal post moving non factual posting niqqas. Shyt went from Lebron Vs. Kobe to MJ vs. Kobe to Barkley vs. Malone courtesy of you 2 dudes.

 

[Draje]

efficiency is being overated. Durant is perceived as a better scorer than Bron and he doesnt shoot as high as a FG%, so lets just stop using that as a benchmark. You shoot shots closer to the rim, you have a higher FG%. its that simple. FG% is more revealing of one's offensive play style. And 35 ppg and 31 ppg arent in the same range at all, when it comes to Kobe and Bron. Thats a huge difference

Durant is still way more efficient than Kobe. And how is 4 PPG difference not a small difference? Kobe shot 7 more times per game to get that. On 7 more FGA attempts, He scored a whopping 4 more points.

Lebron gets those close rim shots because he's one of the best finishers of all time and gets to the rim at will because he's that unstoppable. Teams focus solely on stopping Lebron from driving and he still gets to the rim at will.

 

[Poitier]

Being able to score all over the floor in a multitude of ways on volume > efficiency

 

[Draje]

To both of you goal post moving non factual posting niqqas. Shyt went from Lebron Vs. Kobe to MJ vs. Kobe to Barkley vs. Malone courtesy of you 2 dudes.

What? You brought up Kareem and such.

You asked for my opinion.

Kobe is a more versatile and explosive scorer but Lebron is more consistent and effective. Kobe's a more talented scorer, a Lebron's a smarter offensive player. Kobe's a better shooter, Lebron is a better slasher and finisher.

They're about equal in overall scoring effectiveness, depending on what you want.

But Lebron is better in EVERY OTHER CATEGORY while being a comparable in scoring effectiveness. How is that a wrong statement?

 

[GreatestLaker]

Being able to score all over the floor in a multitude of ways on volume > efficiency

So Iverson > Shaq as a scorer?

 

[Poitier]

So Iverson > Shaq as a scorer?

We're speaking strictly wing players.

 

[Draje]

Being able to score all over the floor in a multitude of ways on volume > efficiency

Kevin Garnett > Shaq

Brook Lopez > Shaq

Jamal Crawford > Lebron

Lebron is pretty much unstoppable and GOAT-tier at finishing and getting to the rim. He's so good at it that teams know exactly what he's gonna do and he can still do it. If two dudes can score a similar amount of points and one can do it in less tries, I'll take the dude that can do it in less tries all the time.

 

[Draje]

We're speaking strictly wing players.

So you'd take Nick Young over Lebron?