Lebron and Kobe
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HELL NO!!
Bron size and speed makes him a MUCH better defender then Kobe ever was.
Kobe can't guard the vast array of people Bron can effectively.
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GreatestLaker
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Dude even in their primes Rick Barry, Jerry West and Karl Malone were NEVER better scorers than Shaq. We also saw Malone and Shaq play in the 90's and no one had Malone as a better scorer. I think you are forgetting how unstoppable Shaq was in the post. To say only 2 players are better than him at scoring isn't far fetched. There are other players that were probably just as good, but certainly not better.He said in their PRIMES, not career. It's not disrespectful to CONSIDER them like I said. To say that ONLY Jordan and MAYBE Kareem are better scorers than Shaq in their primes isnt disrespectful? Do you dudes watch the game? Those two are the ONLY ones better SCORERERS than Shaq in their primes?
...Kobe played a bunch more seasons than Shaq and he shoots a lot more than Shaq did.
Shaq, in his prime, was a more dominant and consistent scorer. I don't just look at how many points someone scored over their entire season.
I don't think Karl Malone is a better scorer than MJ because he's higher on the scoring leaders. I don't think Duncan is a better scorer than Lebron or Melo because he's higher on the list.
Kobe had played for 17 seasons and he's a high USG player.
MJ played for WAY less years, took a retirement in his prime, and is still where he is. Kobe ain't a better scorer because he's played longer.
Lebron has much better vision and playmaking than Kobe. This isn't a debate.
Malik
Superstar
The biggest question for me is :
How can a supposed GOAT contender have only ONE MVP?
It just doesn't add up brehs.
Shaq has one mvp too
Kareem has 2 finals mvps out of six championships
That doesn't add up either
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Unstoppable in the post isn't the debate, that's no question, Shaq in the paint is the GOAT next to Wilt and Kareem. I think you're forgetting how Kobe was unstoppable on the whole court in his prime, it took TEAM defense and ZONES to curtail Kobe (see Boston in '08 Finals) Shaq never faced the defenses like Kobe has, Hack-A-Shaq is laughable to what Kobe faced because of his DOMINANCE in his PRIME. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing Shaq isn't a GOAT scorer, NO, I'm disputing the players that were left out. I saw Malone since day one and he was dominant in the paint too, just not like Shaq, but does that discount him because he didn't dunk like Shaq in the paint? I'm just saying, go back and check stats of other players before comparing PRIMES (like you guys agreed on) instead of careers.
How can anyone bring consistency in a Kobe debate
? No one can deny his consistency, especially when you look any player in history at his position, besides Jordan, that could put up his numbers and change games in a quarter or 2. Hell, younger players in the league right now struggle to string together a months worth of games where they can average what he averages in a single season 
GreatestLaker
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Because we are talking about Lebron?How can anyone bring consistency in a Kobe debate
This is not a Kobe vs Melo, Tmac, Iverson etc debate where consistency wouldn't matter.
Kobe is not as consistent as LEBRON. This is not some random player we are talking about. Consistency is one of Lebron's greatest strengths. You nikkas kill me with this shyt.
Let's just be honest here
Kobe is a the better scorer in terms of volume when it correlates to shot attempts and points. Kobe has a better jump shot, more moves, nuances and ability to get his shot off at will. Kobe is a better man 2 man defender (in his apex) in terms of shutting down a singular opponent. Kobe has proven with a dominant big man or a collection of good big men he can win championships at a pretty good.
Lebron is the more efficient scorer in terms of smart shots vs bad shots, he rarely waste posessions throwing up bad shots on offense. He's a better rebounder, passer, and team defender in terms of team defense concepts, steals, chasedown blocks etc.. Lebron has proven when he plays with top talent he can win championships.
Both are great in their own right. To me Lebron has a higher peak than kobe did, but Kobe got the most out of talent than what lebron got IMO. Kobe has a stronger mind, and stronger will which sometimes leads to a disconnect between him and his teammates. Lebron just wants to be loved and will do anything to attain that love which is to his detriment sometimes.
Kobe is a the better scorer in terms of volume when it correlates to shot attempts and points. Kobe has a better jump shot, more moves, nuances and ability to get his shot off at will. Kobe is a better man 2 man defender (in his apex) in terms of shutting down a singular opponent. Kobe has proven with a dominant big man or a collection of good big men he can win championships at a pretty good.
Lebron is the more efficient scorer in terms of smart shots vs bad shots, he rarely waste posessions throwing up bad shots on offense. He's a better rebounder, passer, and team defender in terms of team defense concepts, steals, chasedown blocks etc.. Lebron has proven when he plays with top talent he can win championships.
Both are great in their own right. To me Lebron has a higher peak than kobe did, but Kobe got the most out of talent than what lebron got IMO. Kobe has a stronger mind, and stronger will which sometimes leads to a disconnect between him and his teammates. Lebron just wants to be loved and will do anything to attain that love which is to his detriment sometimes.
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Here you go, I'm not comparing Kobe and MJ, how convenient breh
and you want a unbiased debate?Now back to the subject,you still need consistency to get to #4 all-time, right? Shaq wasn't a more dominant scorer than Kobe, he was a more dominant PLAYER because of his scoring, rebounding and OVERALL presence. Averaging 40 points a month on seperate occasions is dominant and consistent scoring, that's something ONLY WILT has done and it was done vs. "lesser comp" according to you.
No one is comparing Malone and MJ.
You don't think someone is better because they're higher o the list BUT you put Kareem on the list of who's a better scorer in their prime over Kobe? Why? Why is Kareem on your short list with MJ? Kareem is the epitome of a consistent scorer who played 20 years but you hold the same thing against Kobe? Kareem hasnt shown scoring dominance like Kobe has. And you want a an unbiased debate?
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GreatestLaker
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Malone isn't better, because he wasn't more effective than Shaq at scoring the ball. Not just because Shaq is a better dunker. In the playoffs Malone usually underperformed whereas Shaq took his play to another level. Phil ran the offense through Shaq when Kobe was a Laker. That right there says a lot. You are underrating the hell out of Shaq.
Malik
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Numbers lie....because nikkas like you manipulate them to suit your agenda. The difference between 50% and 45% is one shot. A player shoots 10 for 20, another player shoots 9 for 20. That's one shot nikka
and we see Lebron shy away from multiple shots throughout every game Nikkas like Kobe and Russell Westbrook will heave that shiit at the end of the first half with no fukks given. Nikkas like Lebron won't to protect their percentage. Kobe will throw up that shot with 2 seconds to go in the game. Lebron will pass it to Chalmers instead of taking it himself.You also discount the fact that Lebron plays with Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen, which is why he's become so efficient. He wasn't anywhere near a 60% clip in Cleveland. You can't be that efficient when you're the primary scorer and the entire d collapses on you.....instead of having three allstars to pass to in Miami. Another fact you choose to ignore......Wade and Bosh's field goal percentage shot up after they started playing together too.
Lebron can't average 35 a game. You can't put up that many points over 82 games on layups, free throws and dunks. Lebron can't score 81 points, average 50 points over 4-5 games or 62 points in 3 quarters because his offensive game isn't as complete as Kobe's is. If it was Boris Diaw wouldn't have put the clamps on him and the Spurs "let him shoot" approach wouldn't have worked for 5 games in the Finals. Stop discrediting the things Kobe did. It makes you look like a clown.
Now....I can see Kevin Durant doing the things Kobe Bryant did in his career. Kevin Durant might even do it better. But Lebron won't ever be that type of player
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