Lebron Frustrated, Concerned About Cavs' Offseason #LeBronNeedsMoreHelp

[etrofllenrod504]

What has Cleveland been with him? What has Cleveland been without him? You fools act like they been some type of competitive franchise. They ain't been shyt since Mark price was starting at point. Then NOBODY talks bout this idiot Dan Gilbert who seems to be immune to w wanting to win, the same guy who didn't want to package JJ fukking Hickson to get a prime STAT. Keep blaming Bron cause your hate.

 

[Goat poster]

They've pretty much run out of pieces though. At some point the team's resources are maxed out.

Thier GM was on top of a Love for Jimmy Butler swap (with a 3rd team involved) right before the dumb ass owner decided not to renew his contract.

He was also heavily involved in a paul George trade as well. Whichever won would have went through first but reports are that tha Butler one was the closest to happening.

Not having a GM during a pivotal summer when everone else gets better is kind of a big deal guys

 

[Goat poster]

This thread proves people's resentment for Bron clouds all logic

11 damn pages of people repeating the same damn thing "he built this team, it's his fault"

Yeah, 3 finals and a chip sure is bad team building

11 pages and not ONE mention of how STUPID and UNPROFFESIONAL it is for an owner to not resign the GM that did everything to help make the team a contender and was STILL working hard at it until the final hour when he realized he was basically fired

Then go the whole summer when many other contenders are getting better and trying to actually COMPETE with the Warriors WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL GM!

11 pages and not ONE mention of this???

I understand hating a player but damn

Basketball talk on the Coli is trash cause nikkas come from an emotional base with it. Nothing but blind hate.

 

[Verbal Kint]

And another thing that's lost to history are the circumstances behind the Love/Wiggins trade. The ONLY reason love is there is because Bron and the Front Office thought that Kawhi and The Spurs had next. Love would be perfect against the Spurs because he can rebound and space the floor while giving you great scoring in the post.

No one foresaw that the Warriors would leapfrog the rest of the league that year.

Naawww son . AT THE TIME almost everyone agreed with the move because it seemed like a perfect fit. Miami had gone that era's version of small ball playing Bosh at center with his ability to stretch the floor. This was when stretch 4's were just really taking off and Love seemed like the perfect fit next to LeBron offensively. And lets not forget that when clicking Cleveland has been an absolute monster offensively and again, they've ran through the entire league and put points up on GS even with ease. The issue is defense. They didn't make that trade cuz of the Spurs, they made that trade cuz it was a great fit and nobody knew how long it would take Wiggins to be a useful player

They should've never traded sway Andrew Wiggins. He would still be on his rookie deal and they could've used the money they gave Love to sign other players.

They probably wouldn't have traded for Shumpert or JR Smith.

The starting lineup right now should've been.

PG - kyrie.
SG - waiters
SF - wiggins
PF - james
C - thompson (OR a free agent).

LeBron proved he didn't need love to get to the finals. Now they have 2 overpaid starters and 2 overpaid players coming off the bench.

You had me until Waiters. Plus Cleveland basically traded Waiters and 2 scrubs for Swish and Shump. You do that every time. So they could've still started JR and brought Wiggins along slowly

Does everyone here actually remember that in Wiggins's last game of 2014, he went 1-6 for 4 points and 4 turnovers in leading the Jayhawks to 2nd-round tourney upset loss to the #10 Stanford Cardinals?

He was shut down by Josh Huestis.

He had to let Tarik Black and Conner Frankamp take over for him.

He was dominated by a team that starred Chasson Randle and Dwight Powell.


And three years later, he has still yet to play a single meaningful game since then.

You think Lebron was supposed to bet the rest of his career on THAT teenager?

And Waiters.

True. But Wiggins on the Cavs would've been asked to do completely different things. They'd have told him to play defense, find his spots on O and be a 3rd or 4th scoring option and brought him along slowly

 

[Dwight Howard]

this is what happens when you force TT and JR Smith to big contracts

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Amen.







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Cleveland's offense AND defense were both much worse whenever Waiters was on the court and mentally he wasn't there at all. His offensive skills were a terrible compliment to Kyrie and Lebron, and his defensive skills were even worse.

You seriously want to take the ball out of Kyrie and Lebron's hands so Waiters can get his chance to volume-shoot midrange twos? You seriously want to compound Kyrie's lackings on defense by putting an undersized SG who can't play defense right next to him?

Waiters couldn't even beat out Andre Roberson for the starting SG role in OKC.

Also, remember that the Cavs had NO center and NO bench when they made the Waiters deal...and they didn't just get JR (a much better fit on both ends) for Waiters, they got JR AND Shump AND a low 1st-round pick who they turned into Mosgov.

But you're saying that keeping Waiters >>> getting a starting SG, starting center, AND your backup swingman.

And then have a battle for 3rd option on a title contender between Dion Waiters and a teenager who had never played an NBA minute and choked in his only NCAA appearance.

Breh. When LeBron wrote that letter to Cleveland fans he was preaching patience. He. Lowered expectations. All off that changed when they brought in Kevin Love. The whole narriatve changed and the team was only concerned about that moment. Now they have no cap flexibility.

 

[Family Lives Matter]

BBB

 

[Weaver31]

Umm LeGM and the Cavs past GM and Gilbert are the reasons why the Cavs are in this situation...

I don't agree with Bron haters always saying he needs help....its a team game and no team is able to beat this stacked GSW team who were still able to keep all its players (Iggy, Livingston, Curry, KD) and continuously add players like Young and draft well...Bron and the Cavs need help because Cavs are an older ball club and players like Deron Williams, Korver and Thompson aint adding enough value (if any) against GSW....Cavs bench is ....Love isn't effective nearly enough for what he gets paid for. The issue is Bron makes his complains public...which gives haters ammunition.

I think he should move on but the question is where is he gonna go that's gonna be actually able to compete with Warriors. My Lakers aren't ready until at least another year or two. Spurs need the right personnel and some more support to help Kawhi.

 

[boskey]

Basketball talk on the Coli is trash cause nikkas come from an emotional base with it. Nothing but blind hate.

They should change the name to The Hen House. All birds...

 

[Buckeye Fever]

I hope nobody's dumb enough to put him in a front office role after he's done playing. He really thinks he's managing the Yankees

Exactly.

You'd think someone who allegedly has a high basketball IQ would make better decisions on what he needs around him.

His IQ is extremely overrated. He's just so great that it just looks like he has a high IQ

 

[Weaver31]

Bron brought this on himself true but the warriors may be the biggest anamoly in NBA history. Youd literally have to construct a perfect team to beat them.

True....and that perfect team better not have any key injuries either. And to beat Warriors...u would need at least 2-3 GSW players injured. Bron/Cavs may have to put a bounty out to get another championship playing against them.

 

[QU Hectic]

Come to NYC. Just win us at least one championship and we'll happily welcome LeDrama

 

[NigerianDonDada]

 

[Weaver31]

Trade a future first round pick for a washed Kyle Korver brehs.

And he didn't make that crucial shot in Game 3....I was like Korver..u were brought in for that dude...WTF

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Naawww son . AT THE TIME almost everyone agreed with the move because it seemed like a perfect fit. Miami had gone that era's version of small ball playing Bosh at center with his ability to stretch the floor. This was when stretch 4's were just really taking off and Love seemed like the perfect fit next to LeBron offensively. And lets not forget that when clicking Cleveland has been an absolute monster offensively and again, they've ran through the entire league and put points up on GS even with ease. The issue is defense. They didn't make that trade cuz of the Spurs, they made that trade cuz it was a great fit and nobody knew how long it would take Wiggins to be a useful player

You had me until Waiters. Plus Cleveland basically traded Waiters and 2 scrubs for Swish and Shump. You do that every time. So they could've still started JR and brought Wiggins along slowly

True. But Wiggins on the Cavs would've been asked to do completely different things. They'd have told him to play defense, find his spots on O and be a 3rd or 4th scoring option and brought him along slowly

Everything you say is on point. But there was no guarantee that he was going to be able to play defense at an elite level (he's still terrible at it now) or that he would be an effective scoring option "finding his spots".

Kobe was more NBA-ready than Wiggins was, and Kobe wasn't ready to be a significant contributor to a title team until his 4th season. Lebron didn't want to wait that long.

this is what happens when you force TT and JR Smith to big contracts

You have so much trouble working with reality.

Cavs were already well over the cap BEFORE they resigned TT and JR. Letting two of your starters go, without getting any cap space opened in return, would have been an idiotic decision.

In fact, probably the worst front office decision the Cavs made before they fired Griffin was letting Delly go rather than paying him what he wanted. He would have been the backup point guard/defensive energy guy they desperately needed in the 2nd unit this year, and he certainly would have been miles better than Deron in the Finals.

Umm LeGM and the Cavs past GM and Gilbert are the reasons why the Cavs are in this situation...

I don't agree with Bron haters always saying he needs help....its a team game and no team is able to beat this stacked GSW team who were still able to keep all its players (Iggy, Livingston, Curry, KD) and continuously add players like Young and draft well...Bron and the Cavs need help because Cavs are an older ball club and players like Deron Williams, Korver and Thompson aint adding enough value (if any) against GSW....Cavs bench is ....Love isn't effective nearly enough for what he gets paid for. The issue is Bron makes his complains public...which gives haters ammunition.

I think he should move on but the question is where is he gonna go that's gonna be actually able to compete with Warriors. My Lakers aren't ready until at least another year or two. Spurs need the right personnel and some more support to help Kawhi.

It was complete magic that the Warriors ended up in the situation that they did. Curry signed a contract for half-price because of ankle issues that suddenly disappeared. Draymond signed a contract just a year before his value skyrocketed. And Barnes turned down a contract offer that would have made it impossible to get Durant.

The Warriors had three veteran All-NBA players and ZERO max contracts by the time they were chasing Durant. That's a miracle.

Usually if you want three All-NBA level players, you need to pay three max contracts. That's what the Cavs did. It's normal. And you don't get cap flexibility after that.

Late-round draft pics rarely give you any help. Warriors haven't drafted a meaningful contributor with their own pick since 2012. Even the Spurs had to lose a starter-quality point guard (George Hill) to buy a #15 pick and get their only meaningful contributor in a five-year stretch. You just can't expect to find someone that will really help that low in the draft.

Who would you have suggested the Cavs get instead?

Exactly.

You'd think someone who allegedly has a high basketball IQ would make better decisions on what he needs around him.

His IQ is extremely overrated. He's just so great that it just looks like he has a high IQ

So how do you explain Jordan's front office decisions?

I'm interested on who you think the Cavs should have chased instead. And no, we're not discussing the 18-year-old who had managed 4 points and 4 turnovers in an upset lost in his only big game to date.