Lebron Frustrated, Concerned About Cavs' Offseason #LeBronNeedsMoreHelp

[meth68]

Lebron acting like he would EVER leave the weak ass Eastern Conference

 

[dappadonna]

Aye , at least you got guys like Deron Williams and Kyle Korver to their first NBA final

Now let's get Jose Calderon his silver medal

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Everything you say is on point. But there was no guarantee that he was going to be able to play defense at an elite level (he's still terrible at it now) or that he would be an effective scoring option "finding his spots".

Kobe was more NBA-ready than Wiggins was, and Kobe wasn't ready to be a significant contributor to a title team until his 4th season. Lebron didn't want to wait that long.






You have so much trouble working with reality.

Cavs were already well over the cap BEFORE they resigned TT and JR. Letting two of your starters go, without getting any cap space opened in return, would have been an idiotic decision.

In fact, probably the worst front office decision the Cavs made before they fired Griffin was letting Delly go rather than paying him what he wanted. He would have been the backup point guard/defensive energy guy they desperately needed in the 2nd unit this year, and he certainly would have been miles better than Deron in the Finals.






It was complete magic that the Warriors ended up in the situation that they did. Curry signed a contract for half-price because of ankle issues that suddenly disappeared. Draymond signed a contract just a year before his value skyrocketed. And Barnes turned down a contract offer that would have made it impossible to get Durant.

The Warriors had three veteran All-NBA players and ZERO max contracts by the time they were chasing Durant. That's a miracle.

Usually if you want three All-NBA level players, you need to pay three max contracts. That's what the Cavs did. It's normal. And you don't get cap flexibility after that.

Late-round draft pics rarely give you any help. Warriors haven't drafted a meaningful contributor with their own pick since 2012. Even the Spurs had to lose a starter-quality point guard (George Hill) to buy a #15 pick and get their only meaningful contributor in a five-year stretch. You just can't expect to find someone that will really help that low in the draft.

Who would you have suggested the Cavs get instead?






So how do you explain Jordan's front office decisions?

I'm interested on who you think the Cavs should have chased instead. And no, we're not discussing the 18-year-old who had managed 4 points and 4 turnovers in an upset lost in his only big game to date.

Jordan didn't make decisions.

LeBron did.

And Lebron is all about "gettin his boys paid", whereas Jordan wouldn't give a damn about playin with his friends

 

[Buckeye Fever]

You Lebron apologists are

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Jordan didn't make decisions.

LeBron did.

And Lebron is all about "gettin his boys paid", whereas Jordan wouldn't give a damn about playin with his friends

What are you even talking about?

Jordan has been making front office decisions since 2000.

And at what point did you begin getting upset that Black men are getting paid?

 

[JahFocus CS]

All the Cavs have to do is play like they did in Game 4 in this year's Finals... every. single. game

 

[Broad Street Bully]

You Lebron apologists are

Now basketball talk on the coli is trash, this and that but I bet it wasn't trash last year when the whole 'seum was circle-jerking this nikka nuts

 

[tremonthustler1]

Everything you say is on point. But there was no guarantee that he was going to be able to play defense at an elite level (he's still terrible at it now) or that he would be an effective scoring option "finding his spots".

Kobe was more NBA-ready than Wiggins was, and Kobe wasn't ready to be a significant contributor to a title team until his 4th season. Lebron didn't want to wait that long.






You have so much trouble working with reality.

Cavs were already well over the cap BEFORE they resigned TT and JR. Letting two of your starters go, without getting any cap space opened in return, would have been an idiotic decision.

In fact, probably the worst front office decision the Cavs made before they fired Griffin was letting Delly go rather than paying him what he wanted. He would have been the backup point guard/defensive energy guy they desperately needed in the 2nd unit this year, and he certainly would have been miles better than Deron in the Finals.






It was complete magic that the Warriors ended up in the situation that they did. Curry signed a contract for half-price because of ankle issues that suddenly disappeared. Draymond signed a contract just a year before his value skyrocketed. And Barnes turned down a contract offer that would have made it impossible to get Durant.

The Warriors had three veteran All-NBA players and ZERO max contracts by the time they were chasing Durant. That's a miracle.

Usually if you want three All-NBA level players, you need to pay three max contracts. That's what the Cavs did. It's normal. And you don't get cap flexibility after that.

Late-round draft pics rarely give you any help. Warriors haven't drafted a meaningful contributor with their own pick since 2012. Even the Spurs had to lose a starter-quality point guard (George Hill) to buy a #15 pick and get their only meaningful contributor in a five-year stretch. You just can't expect to find someone that will really help that low in the draft.

Who would you have suggested the Cavs get instead?






So how do you explain Jordan's front office decisions?

I'm interested on who you think the Cavs should have chased instead. And no, we're not discussing the 18-year-old who had managed 4 points and 4 turnovers in an upset lost in his only big game to date.

So knowing this, LeBron need not whine about his problems and accept the reality of his situation

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Now basketball talk on the coli is trash, this and that but I bet it wasn't trash last year when the whole 'seum was circle-jerking this nikka nuts

Last year we had guys arguing the 2004 pistons and 1997 hawks would win the finals in 5 games max. It was arguably even worse last year, though the idea that a team with a bench of Iman Shumpert, Deron Williams, Kyle Korver, and Richard Jefferson is a good enough bench even though there aren't any big men in that unit and only 1 of those players are any good is a pretty terrible notion too.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So knowing this, LeBron need not whine about his problems and accept the reality of his situation

Ya'all will legit complain about anything. You seriously saying, "Lebron knows his team is inferior, but he should just accept that and get ready to lose next year."


As I've been saying since Durant got signed, the ONLY way for this team to get the talent to compete with the Warriors is to realize that both Love and Kyrie are expendable. Last year I think that a megatrade with the Clippers, trading better talent for younger talent, could have made them a contender (though not if the damn Clips kept getting hurt as Cavs like they keep doing as Clips). This year I said from the beginning that trading for Butler, PG13, and a two-way starting point would be the only thing that could work. Turns out that those were the EXACT trades Griffin was pursuing, but Dan Gilbert screwed him over and that was that.

Because of the unique situation of PG13, Butler, and Bledsoe all wanting out, the Cavs were in a unique position to build the sort of superteam that can rarely form. But they had to be willing to part with Kyrie and not be an ass to Griffin to do that, and they weren't.

Last year we had guys arguing the 2004 pistons and 1997 hawks would win the finals in 5 games max. It was arguably even worse last year, though the idea that a team with a bench of Iman Shumpert, Deron Williams, Kyle Korver, and Richard Jefferson is a good enough bench even though there aren't any big men in that unit and only 1 of those players are any good is a pretty terrible notion too.

Um...which one do you happen to be talking about?

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Now basketball talk on the coli is trash, this and that but I bet it wasn't trash last year when the whole 'seum was circle-jerking this nikka nuts

The LeBron Brigade 23rd Battalion

 

[tremonthustler1]

Ya'all will legit complain about anything. You seriously saying, "Lebron knows his team is inferior, but he should just accept that and get ready to lose next year."


As I've been saying since Durant got signed, the ONLY way for this team to get the talent to compete with the Warriors is to realize that both Love and Kyrie are expendable. Last year I think that a megatrade with the Clippers, trading better talent for younger talent, could have made them a contender (though not if the damn Clips kept getting hurt as Cavs like they keep doing as Clips). This year I said from the beginning that trading for Butler, PG13, and a two-way starting point would be the only thing that could work. Turns out that those were the EXACT trades Griffin was pursuing, but Dan Gilbert screwed him over and that was that.

Because of the unique situation of PG13, Butler, and Bledsoe all wanting out, the Cavs were in a unique position to build the sort of superteam that can rarely form. But they had to be willing to part with Kyrie and not be an ass to Griffin to do that, and they weren't.





Um...which one do you happen to be talking about?

I'm saying he needs to accept that he's not gonna get a star gift wrapped for him. If he thinks Love is expendable, cool. At best you'll get Bledsoe back. Kyrie is a bit trickier because Kyrie is all they can move forward with when LeBron is done in Cleveland again. Do I think the two of them could have gotten them PG13, Butler and a two way PG? At best you get one of those things at the expense of your 2nd and 3rd best players so even at best, the improvements would only be marginal.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Ya'all will legit complain about anything. You seriously saying, "Lebron knows his team is inferior, but he should just accept that and get ready to lose next year."


As I've been saying since Durant got signed, the ONLY way for this team to get the talent to compete with the Warriors is to realize that both Love and Kyrie are expendable. Last year I think that a megatrade with the Clippers, trading better talent for younger talent, could have made them a contender (though not if the damn Clips kept getting hurt as Cavs like they keep doing as Clips). This year I said from the beginning that trading for Butler, PG13, and a two-way starting point would be the only thing that could work. Turns out that those were the EXACT trades Griffin was pursuing, but Dan Gilbert screwed him over and that was that.

Because of the unique situation of PG13, Butler, and Bledsoe all wanting out, the Cavs were in a unique position to build the sort of superteam that can rarely form. But they had to be willing to part with Kyrie and not be an ass to Griffin to do that, and they weren't.





Um...which one do you happen to be talking about?

I guess Korver since if he's open he can still hit from deep. The rest of those guys shouldn't be in someone's rotation if the team is hoping to compete for titles.

 

[TrebleMan]

3-6 in the Finals by this time next year?

We're good with who we got on the Lakeshow. Lonzo's passing ability on another level out the box.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I feel like it was a massive fukk up for them not to somehow get Paul George....how the fukk he end up on OKC?