Lebron James career gets a * for playing in the Eastern Conference

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And if Lebron was on Golden State instead of Curry, he'd get a * for being on such a strong team and not winning it by himself. Basically the haters want Lebron James to be on a mediocre team in the West and singlehandedly take them to the Finals and win it all. Then, only then can he be considered great. Right?

Lol fukk that shyt. :camby:
 

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nikkas making up revisionist history now. kobe had to go through the spurs year in year out in the west. sure the finals were usually a cakewalk, but it was the western conference playoffs where you were playing the big boys.

bron probably shouldn't have made the finals 3 outta his first 5 trips if the east was as competitive as the west.


I was speaking on the Finals.

He clearly had the better teams in the Eastern conference, minus those Celtics series.

And yes, Kobe dominated the Western Conference (which were basically the finals) and Shaq feasted on wack Eastern Conference Centers.
 

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Maybe, just maybe the competition is considered so weak because of how great LBJ's teams have been. His dominance makes them look worse than they probably really are. Those Indy teams were legit
 

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and he washed them nikkas :lupe:
He didn't always "wash" them nikkas. Knicks had them down 2-0 before and were an outstanding defensive stand from being up 3-2, Pacers took them to 7 games

:to: @ that 97 Bullets squad. THey were supposed to have next. Bulls swept them, but i don't think they lost any game by more than like 5. MJ called them the future too
 

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People bring up the conference dispairty as if LeBron wouldn't have a better team if he was in the West. Drop LeBron on any of the Western Conferece playoff teams and they make the finals too.
 

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sorry, but sleep walking to the finals every year against trash teams just isn't impressive

Atlanta was a 60-win team that went 13-3 against West playoff teams this year.
Chicago was a 50-win team that then added a healthy Rose.
Cavs won 53 games even with Lebron missing two weeks and dominated Western teams in games Lebron played.

Meanwhile, Golden State is about to make the finals by defeating a beat-up Memphis team that can't score at all and a Houston team whose only good players are James Harden and....uh....maybe a limping Dwight Howard?



How old are you? You think the east was trash in the 90's?

The whole NBA was trash in 1991 to 1998.

The teams who dominated Jordan's Bulls before his championship run (Boston, Detroit, Lakers) had all gotten old and started to fall off. Bird had gotten hurt and was about to retire, Magic had AIDS and was about to retire, Isaiah hadn't made an all-NBA team since 1987 (and Laimbeer/Aguirre hadn't been all-stars since 87/88).

When Jordan left in 94/95, a Houston team made up solely of Hakeem, a young weak-ass coach, and a bunch of role players won back-to-back championships.

When he left in 1998, the NBA was dominated by teams (Duncan's Spurs and Phil's Lakers) that didn't even exist when Jordan was playing.

From 1991 to 2003, the Eastern Conference lost all seven Finals that Jordan wasn't playing in, and the 7 Finals winners were all teams that Jordan never had to face.



Competition in Jordan's era >>>>>> Competition in Bron's era

Come on now. How would that even be possible? There are three times as many ballers nowadays as there were in Jordan's era. Dudes start playing serious ball far earlier, learn moves far earlier, play far more complex offenses and defenses. Far more American kids are playing basketball than ever before and FAR more international recruits are competing in the NBA than ever before. Jordan was playing in a little pool compared to the competition nowadays.

Think about it:

In 1992 a team led by a guard with a broke shot who looked at the ground when he dribbled took Jordan's Bulls to 6 games. Blazers as a whole shot 10-50 from 3pt in that series. 10 threes in 6 games!

In 1994 the Bulls without Jordan won 55 games and took NYK to 7 games.

In 1998 a team led by a guard who couldn't make plays or play defense took Jordan's Bulls to 7 games.

The starting lineup for the Jazz in 1998 were Malone, 35-year-old Hornacek, 36-year-old Stockton, Greg Foster and Adam Keefe.


The 1990s post-Magic/Bird was probably the weakest era for NBA talent in my lifetime.
 
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Maybe, just maybe the competition is considered so weak because of how great LBJ's teams have been. His dominance makes them look worse than they probably really are. Those Indy teams were legit

2/5 in the finals says otherwise.

the east has just been really weak since MJ left in 98. the only years i can remember the east being DECENT was the run from 2008-2010. you had Bron's Cavs, the big 3 celtics, and Dwight's Magic playing good basketball. 3 legit finals contenders. other than for that stretch, i don't think there were ever 3 contenders in the east that could compete with the west.
 

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And yes, Kobe dominated the Western Conference (which were basically the finals) and Shaq feasted on wack Eastern Conference Centers.

2000 WCF:
Shaq 26/12/4/2 on 54% shooting
Kobe 20/6/5/2 on 44% shooting

2001 WCF:
Shaq 27/13/3/1 on 54% shooting
Kobe 33/7/7/1 on 51% shooting

2002 WCF:
Shaq 30/14/2/2 on 53% shooting
Kobe 27/6/4/1 on 42% shooting. In Game 7, Kobe didn't make a single field goal in the 4th quarter OR overtime, and Shaq scored 6 in overtime to put the Lakers ahead for good.


Obviously Shaq dominated the Finals even more than the WCF. So Kobe had ONE WCF and ZERO NBA Finals where he played better than Shaq, and it gets turned into a whole narrative by Kobe stans. Being the star in 1 out of 6 series sure is impressive.

And the "wack Eastern Conference Center" that Shaq dominated in 2001 was Defensive Player of the Year Dikembe Mutombo, who averaged 14 points, 14 rebounds, and 3 blocks per game in the playoffs. Kobe, meanwhile, was guarded by the legendary Aaron McKie.
 
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