LeBron keeps cookin defenders with this weak ass move

[Dr. Narcisse]

Da fukk is game score?

You analytics nerds crack me up. First of all, you're the one who said winning matters. So when I bring up times when Kobe won games that LeBron lost you bring up analytics you probably don't even understand. LOL.

Try to stay on topic breh. You are the one that said winning trumps everything.

Game score is basically PER breh for the series.

Pay further attention. I clearly said at the end winning matters more. Just added further context. Pau was a beast those last two finals

 

[Swagnificent]

Pau was a beast those last two finals

No doubt. And largely thanks to Kobe. Unlike LeBron, Kobe actually makes his teammates better. He took Pau from being a marginal all-star to a Hall of Famer.

Kobe doesn't reduce his teammates to spot up shooters so he can rack up inflated stats. Kobe lets his teammates play to their strengths. And because he demands so much attention his teammates like Pau get favorable looks from the defense and ball out.

This is why you should watch the games more than just looking at a box score. You might learn a thing or two about basketball.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

His left hand is also crazy underrated.

Bron has more touch with his left than some players do with his right. The fingerroll, hook, floater, reverse - he can do them all just as well with his left as with his right. He's basically ambidextrous in that sense.

LeBron is the only guy, or the first guy, they put this heavy an emphasis on like this, re: passing the ball late...

Game 1 of the 1998 Finals, Jordan passed to LUC LONGLEY to hit a game-tying jumper with 15 seconds left.

Final possession, down 2, its the Finals, and he dumped it to Luc Longley.

Yet Bron takes heat for setting up one of the best shooters in NBA history for an open three. If you can't expect Kyle Korver to make open threes, why the fukk did you even sign him?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

No doubt. And largely thanks to Kobe. Unlike LeBron, Kobe actually makes his teammates better. He took Pau from a being a marginal all-star to a Hall of Famer.

Kobe doesn't reduce his teammates to spot up shooters so he can rack up inflated stats. Kobe lets his teammates play to their strengths. And because he demands so much attention his teammates like Pau get favorable looks from the defense and ball out.

This is why you should watch the games more than just looking at a box score. You might learn a thing or two about basketball.

Was Mo Williams a Pau Gasol level talent before going to Cleveland

Why didnt the Lakers just hang onto Kwame if players automatically get elevated




I watched all the games breh. The Celtics were a problem for both teams.

Cavs issue was Dwight dominated them in 09. Not so much the Lakers. Which is why I think the Lakers matched up better that year.

10? One knee KG dominated Jamison not so much against Pau.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Best athlete ever Bron
Peak of his powers on both ends Bron
Godtier playoff dominance Bron
Dominant PG Bron

 

[Swagnificent]

Was Mo Williams a Pau Gasol level talent before going to Cleveland

Why didnt the Lakers just hang onto Kwame if players automatically get elevated

Mo Williams was a catch n shoot PG. His skills matched LeBron's style. Bigs like Bosh and Love are the ones who suffered playing next to LeBron because they played in the paint. Guys who aren't simply catch n shoot spacers struggle playing with LeBron because of his need for driving lanes.

Kobe on the other hand doesn't need driving lanes to be successful. He can dominate games through his jump shooting. That is why bigs like Gasol can excel playing with Kobe.

And I'm glad you brought up Kwame Brown. He and other scrubs like Smush Parker all had their best years playing next to Kobe. Without Kobe scrubs like Smush were out of the league. That there shows how great Kobe was. He made the playoffs with guys starting alongside him that couldn't even stay in the league on other teams.

 

[Swagnificent]

Best athlete ever Bron
Peak of his powers on both ends Bron
Godtier playoff dominance Bron
Dominant PG Bron

The only times I enjoyed watching LeBron even a little bit was 2004-06 and 2008-09. His style wasn't that aesthetic but he was significantly more exciting to watch than his later years.

As he grew older he became unwatchable.

 

[MostReal]

shyts wack

that's not even a move

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Mo Williams was a catch n shoot PG. His skills matched LeBron's style. Bigs like Bosh and Love are the ones who suffered playing next to LeBron because they played in the paint. Guys who aren't simply catch n shoot spacers struggle playing with LeBron because of his need for driving lanes.

Kobe on the other hand doesn't need driving lanes to be successful. He can dominate games through his jump shooting. That is why bigs like Gasol can excel playing with Kobe.

And I'm glad you brought up Kwame Brown. He and other scrubs like Smush Parker all had their best years playing next to Kobe. Without Kobe scrubs like Smush were out of the league. That there shows how great Kobe was. He made the playoffs with guys starting alongside him that couldn't even stay in the league on other teams.

This is where you conflate issues in Bron's later years with Bron during his 1st go round in Cleveland.

BEN WALLACE was his PF in 08, Andy V as his PF in 09, and finally a near washed Jamison in 2010.

Ben Wallace and Andy werent offensive guys at all. If Bron had gotten guys who could score at PF he simply would have fed them the ball. In fact the pick and roll with them would have been devastating.

If Bron has any issue is when there's another ball dominant player on the team as well which hurts the 3rd star (PF for Heat/Cavs).

When Bron/Bosh played games without Wade...Bosh Cooked. Kevin Love played really well in the 2nd role (for him)

AD has been a monster this year.

Whats to say if Bron had Pau he wouldnt have been cooking during that time as well?

During that time without a 2nd star Kobe couldnt get out of the 1st round. Odom would have been the 2nd best player on the Cavs during that time.

Carlos Boozer was cooking with Bron during his rookie year. He never had a real 2nd star during that run. Kobe did.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Going back to the 2nd ball handler (while in a big 3)

I think that can hurt the 3rd option on a lot teams (even the great ones) Which is why Klay was such a perfect fit on that Warriors team.

I remember when the Lakers added Payton and Nash (different years obviously). Both ball handlers who would now be the 3rd option...numbers dipped tremendously on the Lakers. A lot of people point to them finally being washed, but no one was thinking that when they acquired. Suddenly Gary Payton is ineffective in the playoffs, Nash is not getting assists


Its the 3rd star that suffers or has to sacrifice usually.

 

[murksiderock]

At the end of the day, when Kobe was in his prime he beat two teams in the Finals that eliminated LeBron. Winning games matters but winning championships matters more.

Also within Kobe's and LeBron's overlapping primes, Kobe lost 4-1 to OKC, who LeBron summarily dispatched in The Finals...

I don't know what point you're trying to make....

Your 11-minute obsessive video is cool, but we already know Kobe had moments he ate on LeBron. No one is obsessed enough to create a video showing Kobe constantly either fouling LeBron, getting blown by, getting backed down effortlessly, or getting jumpers drained on him, nor does it show the string of misses Kobe had when Bron D'd him, because no one cares. This is only a topic of discussion because, though they didn't often D each other, you wrongly claimed "Kobe embarrasses LeBron" as if people can't actually remember the games or go back and review...

You can't really be embarrassed if you have a .722 win percentage against a guy when that guy was still That Guy, with routinely bigger games in marquee matches with That Guy...

A constant theme with Kobe is he was often the same guy in the postseason as he was in the regular season, rather than routinely activating a discernibly higher level of play. Vs LeBron teams, he was often a lesser version of himself than he was in general. If this was a number of other guys, despite understanding a variety of factors go into wins and losses and performance, we'd question why a superstar loses 72% of the games he plays against another superstar and why his production routinely dips when playing said superstar. If this was a number of other guys, we'd be questioning their mental fortitude, as most of those games were standalone, prime time, marquee billing, and we'd be asking if the reason That Guy's play shrinks slightly is because he's afraid of the moment...

At any rate bruh, I'm cool on it. You're entitled to feel LeBron isn't entertaining or whatever else, it's all good with me. I don't really have much else to say here, at this point its senseless back and forth...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I watched all the games breh. The Celtics were a problem for both teams.

Cavs issue was Dwight dominated them in 09. Not so much the Lakers. Which is why I think the Lakers matched up better that year.

10? One knee KG dominated Jamison not so much against Pau.

Other issues the Cavs had with the Magic was that they couldn't guard Rashard Lewis (Andy was too slow to get out to the 3pt line, whereas Odom did that fine) and they didn't have tall guards. When the Magic went big the Cavs were stuck putting 6'3" Delonte on 6'10" Hedo and 6'1" Mo on 6'5" Courtney Lee (and when they went small Mo was getting burned by Skip to my Lou). Lakers had plenty of height with 6'6" Kobe and 6'8" Ariza.

Inability to guard Dwight 1-on-1, not having a 4 fast enough to cover Rashard, and those height issues on the perimeter are why the Magic hit 62 threes on the Cavs at a 41% clip but only 38 threes on the Lakers at a 33% clip.

Throw in Dwight's numbers (26ppg on 65% against the Cavs, just 15ppg on 48% against the Lakers) and you have the whole reason they lost. Offensively the Cavs were as good as the Lakers, it was on defense that they didn't have the personnel.

 

[fifth column]

This is where you conflate issues in Bron's later years with Bron during his 1st go round in Cleveland.

BEN WALLACE was his PF in 08, Andy V as his PF in 09, and finally a near washed Jamison in 2010.

Ben Wallace and Andy werent offensive guys at all. If Bron had gotten guys who could score at PF he simply would have fed them the ball. In fact the pick and roll with them would have been devastating.

If Bron has any issue is when there's another ball dominant player on the team as well which hurts the 3rd star (PF for Heat/Cavs).

When Bron/Bosh played games without Wade...Bosh Cooked. Kevin Love played really well in the 2nd role (for him)

AD has been a monster this year.

Whats to say if Bron had Pau he wouldnt have been cooking during that time as well?

During that time without a 2nd star Kobe couldnt get out of the 1st round. Odom would have been the 2nd best player on the Cavs during that time.

Carlos Boozer was cooking with Bron during his rookie year. He never had a real 2nd star during that run. Kobe did.

Every player gets dealt their own set of cards. Let us create the perfect situations for Bron so that he can dominate on easy mode

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

lmao knew what it was before i seen the vid

 

[FTBS]

Going back to the 2nd ball handler (while in a big 3)

I think that can hurt the 3rd option on a lot teams (even the great ones) Which is why Klay was such a perfect fit on that Warriors team.

I remember when the Lakers added Payton and Nash (different years obviously). Both ball handlers who would now be the 3rd option...numbers dipped tremendously on the Lakers. A lot of people point to them finally being washed, but no one was thinking that when they acquired. Suddenly Gary Payton is ineffective in the playoffs, Nash is not getting assists


Its the 3rd star that suffers or has to sacrifice usually.

It's not rocket science. If you go from having an offense revolve around you to being part of an offense that revolves around 2 other 25-30 ppg scorers, your numbers are gonna take a dip. Anyone with basic reasoning abilities and a willingness to do so can see this very clearly. The Warriors moved the ball like crazy and Klay doesn't need it to score so it was a much easier transition. Beyond that he was used to and accepting of his role. I think some guys mentally struggle with taking that backseat even if the players in front of them are clearly better.