Lebron says Morey's China tweet was dangerous and misinformed.

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I didn't say he knew "exactly how it feels". I said he has context and information to a higher degree than the average American.:comeon:


You negated none of the contextual factors I listed.
Does Daryl Morey have a much higher degree of information? Certainly. But let's break that statement down. But the fact that he deleted his tweet, and put out a statement literally saying he didn't know enough proves my point.


Regardless of how many times he's been to China, clearly he didn't know enough not to tweet randomly about a topic that would cost him his job. Now if he would have kept his tweet and said, "I don't care what anyone says I'm willing to suffer for my beliefs," I'd agree with you. But he doesn't care about this stuff.
 

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Does Daryl Morey have a much higher degree of information? Certainly. But let's break that statement down. But the fact that he deleted his tweet, and put out a statement literally saying he didn't know enough proves my point.


Regardless of how many times he's been to China, clearly he didn't know enough not to tweet randomly about a topic that would cost him his job. Now if he would have kept his tweet and said, "I don't care what anyone says I'm willing to suffer for my beliefs," I'd agree with you. But he doesn't care about this stuff.



This was an obviously PR written statement, just like this was a PR move by the Rockets.



Secondly, he does not say in that statement that he didn't know enough. He says he got additional information after the fact, and that additional information came from the CCP side, not the HK protestors.

He says he didn't intend to misunderstand mainland Chinese fans feelings (who never saw the tweet because Twitter is blocked in China, and their feelings are directly controlled by CCP). Not that he misunderstood the situation in HK
 

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if America had chosen India instead of China, India would have been the powerhouse now. Nothing special about china, other than right place and right time to exploit America's capitalistic greed

Nope. Western capitalists did not go to China because they liked China; they went there because no one, including India, could provide the manpower and discipline that China could. China being a hard dictatorship and having a big population was able to orderly put a massive amount of manpower at work for basically nothing. No one could do that back then.
 

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When is it ever a good look for a celebrity to stick up for a communist country over got damn college age protestors.

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You just throw out arbitrary words like they have some kind of meaning. You want to see what I mean? Look at this..."When is it ever a good look for a celebrity to stick up for a Western country over got damn college age protestors.

And by Western Country I mean the Countries that colonized the entire world, enslaved African-Americans in the slave trade, committed the genocide of Native Americans, the genocide in the Congo, genocide in the holocaust and refuses to pay back damages.

When will Britain face up to its crimes against humanity?
Atrocities in the Congo Free State - Wikipedia
Responsible For 10 Million Deaths, Why Isn't King Leopold II As Reviled As Hitler?
Timeline of major famines in India during British rule - Wikipedia
- The famines caused by Great Britain deliberately in India aren't well known. Look at the numbers of dead. 10 million between 1769-1770, 11 million between 1783-1784, 11 million between 1791-1792,
Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia
The British government gave preferential treatment in the distribution of supplies to the armed forces, civil servants and other "priority classes". These factors were compounded by restricted access to grain: domestic sources were constrained by emergency inter-provincial trade barriers, while access to international imports was largely denied by Churchill's War Cabinet, in part due to a wartime shortage of shipping.
Viewpoint: Britain must pay reparations to India
The idea of reparations for slavery is morally appealing but flawed

You know what's funny, there are so many atrocities in American History most people don't even know about them...
New Orleans massacre of 1866 - Wikipedia
The state Constitutional Convention of 1864 authorized greater civil freedoms to blacks within Louisiana, but did not provide for voting rights for any people of color. Free people of color, who were mixed-race, had been an important part of New Orleans for more than a century and were established as a separate class in the colonial period, before United States annexation of the territory in 1803. Many were educated and owned property, and were seeking the vote. In addition, Republicans had the goals of extending the suffrage to freedmen and eliminating the Black Codes passed by the legislature. They reconvened the convention, and succeeded in incorporating these goals.[5]

Democrats considered the reconvened convention illegal, as they said that the voters (although then limited to whites only) had accepted the constitution. In addition, they argued legal technicalities: the elected chairman Howell had left the original convention before its conclusion and was therefore was not considered a member, the constitution was accepted by the people, and the radicals, only 25 of whom were present at the convention of 1864, did not make up a majority of the original convention.

On July 27, the black supporters of the convention, including approximately 200 black war veterans, met at the steps of the Mechanics Institute. They were stirred by speeches of abolitionistactivists, most notably Anthony Paul Dostie and former Governor of Louisiana Michael Hahn. The men proposed a parade to the Mechanics Institute on the day of the convention to show their support.

It is not known which group fired first, but within minutes, there was a battle in the streets. The black marchers were unprepared and many were unarmed; they rapidly dispersed, with many seeking refuge within the Mechanics Institute. The white mob brutally attacked blacks on the street and some entered the building:

The whites stomped, kicked, and clubbed the black marchers mercilessly. Policemen smashed the institute’s windows and fired into it indiscriminately until the floor grew slick with blood. They emptied their revolvers on the convention delegates, who desperately sought to escape. Some leapt from windows and were shot dead when they landed. Those lying wounded on the ground were stabbed repeatedly, their skulls bashed in with brickbats. The sadism was so wanton that men who kneeled and prayed for mercy were killed instantly, while dead bodies were stabbed and mutilated.
Memphis riots of 1866 - Wikipedia
The Memphis massacre of 1866 was a series of violent events that occurred from May 1 to 3, 1866 in Memphis, Tennessee. The racial violence was ignited by political, social, and racial tensions following the American Civil War, in the early stages of Reconstruction. After a shooting altercation between white policemen and black soldiers recently mustered out of the Union Army, mobs of white civilians and policemen rampaged through black neighborhoods and the houses of freedmen, attacking, raping, and killing black men, women, and children.

How can you claim any moral authority to condemn Communists when your own country has done the above? I really want to know?
 

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You just throw out arbitrary words like they have some kind of meaning. You want to see what I mean? Look at this..."When is it ever a good look for a celebrity to stick up for a Western country over got damn college age protestors.

And by Western Country I mean the Countries that colonized the entire world, enslaved African-Americans in the slave trade, committed the genocide of Native Americans, the genocide in the Congo, genocide in the holocaust and refuses to pay back damages.

When will Britain face up to its crimes against humanity?
Atrocities in the Congo Free State - Wikipedia
Responsible For 10 Million Deaths, Why Isn't King Leopold II As Reviled As Hitler?
Timeline of major famines in India during British rule - Wikipedia
- The famines caused by Great Britain deliberately in India aren't well known. Look at the numbers of dead. 10 million between 1769-1770, 11 million between 1783-1784, 11 million between 1791-1792,
Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia

Viewpoint: Britain must pay reparations to India
The idea of reparations for slavery is morally appealing but flawed

You know what's funny, there are so many atrocities in American History most people don't even know about them...
New Orleans massacre of 1866 - Wikipedia

Memphis riots of 1866 - Wikipedia


How can you claim any moral authority to condemn Communists when your own country has done the above? I really want to know?


No one is reading your copy pasted Wikipedia bull shyt...

Bron fukked up end of story..
 

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This was an obviously PR written statement, just like this was a PR move by the Rockets.



Secondly, he does not say in that statement that he didn't know enough. He says he got additional information after the fact, and that additional information came from the CCP side, not the HK protestors.

He says he didn't intend to misunderstand mainland Chinese fans feelings (who never saw the tweet because Twitter is blocked in China, and their feelings are directly controlled by CCP). Not that he misunderstood the situation in HK

Well, 1 you make way too many assumptions. "Feelings are directly controlled by CCP." This statement right there shows your ignorance. What proof do you have of this? China isn't like America. Virtually everyone in China is Chinese. People in China have ancestors who died when Great Britain came and stole Hong Kong from them. This is the very western arrogance that I described in my previous post. Delusional Americans have gone around the world believing this nonsense. Time and time and time again. You buy into the propaganda that everyone in China's just brainwashed. Let me guess, if we would just show them the light they'd understand? LOL.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-bay-of-pigs-invasion-begins
The hope was that the exile force would serve as a rallying point for the Cuban citizenry, who would rise up and overthrow Castro’s government. The plan immediately fell apart...

All you are doing is repeating American propaganda that you've heard your entire life (I really hope you aren't black). To be honest, it's not surprising that you are supporting and cosigning Morey's ignorance. You two think alike. Like I said before, Americans have a vastly warped view of the world, because they believe that they have "everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them." The average American looks at people from non-western countries with deep sense of superiority and arrogance. Americans love to go around the world telling other countries how to do things, how to run their economy, how to function. Why? Who says we even know what we are doing?
 

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Ehhhhh

China might not touch them but its clear this is a VERY sore spot for China. I sure as shyt wouldnt want no type of smoke on foreign soil, even business wise.
Man anytime you visit a foreign country there's that one thought that creeps into your head that everybody gets at least once while they're there- "What if I get into some shyt way out here and my passport gets taken and I get locked up". :lupe: Star player or regular Joe, you still gonna have this thought
 

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It's wild that publicly [in america], Morey is the only one who's is gonna gonna come out as the "protagonist" in all of this. Even Liberals and Conservatives both agree Democracy = Good.

The only people mad about his tweet are communist China, billionaire NBA owners, and millionaire NBA players.
 

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Well, 1 you make way too many assumptions. "Feelings are directly controlled by CCP." This statement right there shows your ignorance. What proof do you have of this? China isn't like America. Virtually everyone in China is Chinese. People in China have ancestors who died when Great Britain came and stole Hong Kong from them. This is the very western arrogance that I described in my previous post. Delusional Americans have gone around the world believing this nonsense. Time and time and time again. You buy into the propaganda that everyone in China's just brainwashed. Let me guess, if we would just show them the light they'd understand? LOL.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-bay-of-pigs-invasion-begins


All you are doing is repeating American propaganda that you've heard your entire life (I really hope you aren't black). To be honest, it's not surprising that you are supporting and cosigning Morey's ignorance. You two think alike. Like I said before, Americans have a vastly warped view of the world, because they believe that they have "everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them." The average American looks at people from non-western countries with deep sense of superiority and arrogance. Americans love to go around the world telling other countries how to do things, how to run their economy, how to function. Why? Who says we even know what we are doing?

Because there was no pew research poll conducted asking Chinese people their opinions, the government made a statement about it through their representatives saying all 1.4 Billion people felt exactly the same.

No one knows how the Chinese people felt about it because again, Twitter is banned in China so anyone admitting to have seen the tweet would be admitting to a crime.

Also, actual US-China experts have weighed in on the topic. If you are going to say every non Chinese person is a propaganda agent then we are done here because you are arguing in bad faith.

 

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It's always funny when people use MLK quotes to attack other human beings. That whole mentality goes to the heart of what MLK was against. He called on us to be the best versions of ourselves. To speak out against injustice and to fight for disadvantage people wherever the are. But his mindset and approach to human beings was also seeped in love. MLK wouldn't hate on LBJ, he'd see and understand the tough burdens that are placed on him. He'd empathize with him and then he'd say I disagree with you but I understand where you are coming from. The vast majority of African-Americans alive during MLK's life never marched with him. The reason we need Children to march in Birmingham was because no adults wanted to March. Yet, MLK loved them anyway.

It's one thing to say LBJ I wish you'd be better. Another thing to tear down a guy doing the best he can in a tough situation. But the beauty of MLK is that his words and quotes will sear the conscience of our Country going forward. No one should feel morally ok with taking a stand against something their conscience tells them is unjust. MLK knew this and that's why that quote will always be valid. Lastly, we should keep in mind that MLK never asked anyone to do something he wasn't doing himself. When he went to communities to ask people to March, it was because he knew he would be leading the March. There are a lot of people in this thread who love to call out others, while they sit quietly on the sidelines.
 
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