LeBron's Over thinking is his biggest weakness. *Rational Discussion no hate needed*

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Imagine if he had to go through the gaunlet of the Western Conference. Y'all making all these excuses for this man being tired. He's played a bunch of cupcake series and finally has to go all out and you mean to tell me fatigue is an issue?? I just watched bean pole KD play the most regular season minutes while his second best player missed a huge chunk of the season; play multiple overtime games in the playoffs; a seven game series; being guarded by the likes of Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, and Kawhi Leonard; all while Brooks running him damn near 48 minutes a game and not one of you pulled the fatigue narrative out. I don't want to hear that excuse from a guy who's only true attribute is his physical make up.
this whole MIA vs Western conference bullshyt needs to stop.
Seriously, besides the Spurs teamball, what team in the Western conference has the personnel to beat MIA in a 7 game series? The Clippers? Memphis? Portland? Houston? Dallas? Maybe OKC. Your ass wouldnt even put money on any of those teams to beat MiA.
Let be real here, in the last 3 years, its being OKC and Spurs. OKC was unfortunate to lose Russ and Memphis sneaked in through that backdoor only to be swept in the WCF.
 
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:what::what::what:This notion that LeBron does more and exerts more energy than any other player in recent history is complete bullsh!t and sensationalism. He definitely does a lot but it's no more than other elite superstars. Hell, until recently he's been doing less. That was the point of him going to Miami so he wouldn't have to carry the load and do as much:aicmon:. Plus all that "it's cause he plays defense" is just bs. Like Kobe and MJ didn't play ELITE defense :heh:smh. It is a proven FACT that this year LeBrons effort on d was at it's lowest level in years. All this blatant dikkriding and ignoring of facts makes me sick. Lebron definitely exerts more effort than the average player but don't act like he's trying more than all time greats like MJ:snoop:

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The fact that he's his teams best rebounder is all about the fact that he doesn't have a Shaq or Rodman or even Grant/Pau/Bynum level player in the post. Odom grabbed more boards on a consistent basis than any of the other Heat starters. Of their starters who is a better rim protector?
They don't have a rim protector. Period. It's possible to play without having one. Just because no one else fills that role doesn't mean it's by fault LeBrons role. And lebron is there best defender but let's not act like Battier for the better part of three years haven't been playing the other teams best wing player. Kobe was the best wing defender on many Laker teams. Regardless that doesn't mean he exerts more effort than anyone ever.
 
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:what:So Cleveland lebron didn't have to do and try more than Miami Lebron with healthy Wade and Bosh??? LeBron has even stated the reason why he joined the Heat is so that he wouldn't have to wear himself out. Nikkas wanna remake history:beli:

I'm not remaking history....The fact is he may have put in more effort technically in Cleveland, but there is no huge disparity perse......It was smart to go to Miami in his prime and stretch his career, but basically in MIA, his contributions will not be in vain......and quite frankly from a defensive standpoint, his effort looks no different than when it did in Cleveland.Hell, he may be working harder

He can just get a blow at the end of quarters now since there are other capable scorers on the floor....
 

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Imagine if he had to go through the gaunlet of the Western Conference. Y'all making all these excuses for this man being tired. He's played a bunch of cupcake series and finally has to go all out and you mean to tell me fatigue is an issue?? I just watched bean pole KD play the most regular season minutes while his second best player missed a huge chunk of the season; play multiple overtime games in the playoffs; a seven game series; being guarded by the likes of Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, and Kawhi Leonard; all while Brooks running him damn near 48 minutes a game and not one of you pulled the fatigue narrative out. I don't want to hear that excuse from a guy who's only true attribute is his physical make up.
You see it. :sas2:

You can't take games off in The Western Conference. Everyone knows it. LeBron and The Heat have taken plenty of games off in the putrid East.
 

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his mind is still his biggest weakness. his skills have improved enough to where his raw talent will carry him for spurts in big moments but i still dont think hes truly comfortable with the ball in those situations and anytime he scores in the clutch he tries to act extra hard to convince everyone he's clutch. when things are going good for him he's obviously unstoppable but he still struggles with adversity. like last night he lost the ball and immediately was bytching to teammates and one time he didnt even get touched and was crying for a foul call like someone stabbed him. shyt like that just show hes still not tough mentally and he feels like he deserves to be bailed out by his teammates and refs. its that same mindset that caused him to go to miami in the first place to form a superteam and take the easy road.
 

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this whole MIA vs Western conference bullshyt needs to stop.
Seriously, besides the Spurs teamball, what team in the Western conference has the personnel to beat MIA in a 7 game series? The Clippers? Memphis? Portland? Houston? Dallas? Maybe OKC. Your ass wouldnt even put money on any of those teams to beat MiA.
Let be real here, in the last 3 years, its being OKC and Spurs. OKC was unfortunate to lose Russ and Memphis sneaked in through that backdoor only to be swept in the WCF.
Playing The Spurs/OKC in The Finals is completely different than playing an 82 game season in The West and going through the playoffs.
 

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I'm not remaking history....The fact is he may have put in more effort technically in Cleveland, but there is no huge disparity perse......It was smart to go to Miami in his prime and stretch his career, but basically in MIA, his contributions will not be in vain......and quite frankly from a defensive standpoint, his effort looks no different than when it did in Cleveland.Hell, he may be working harder

He can just get a blow at the end of quarters now since there are other capable scorers on the floor....
Did I say there was a huge disparity??? Smh coli nikkas always just read what that want. I even said he definitely exerts a lot of effort. I just disagree that he puts more effort than any player in league history like others on this thread claim. He puts in a superstar hofer type effort into each game like superstar hofers did before him. I also think his defensive effort this year has been overstated because it has been proven that his defense this year has been subpar to his standards. There are a number of articles, stats, and tape I can link to you proving this. This year was LeBrons worst defensively in about 6 years
 
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Did I say there was a huge disparity??? Smh coli nikkas always just read what that want. I even said he definitely exerts a lot of effort. I just disagree that he puts more effort than any player in league history like others on this thread claim. He puts in a superstar hofer type effort into each game like superstar hofers did before him. I also think his defensive effort this year has been overstated because it has been proven that his defense this year has been subpar to his standards. There are a number of articles, stats, and tape I can link to you proving this. This year was LeBrons worst defensively in about 6 years

But you said there IS a disparity, and quite frankly, the way his game is will not allow you to measure it properly......As I stated, I really don't see a difference in his effort between Cleveland and Miami...things always "appear" easier when you have better players around you....
 

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this whole MIA vs Western conference bullshyt needs to stop.
Seriously, besides the Spurs teamball, what team in the Western conference has the personnel to beat MIA in a 7 game series? The Clippers? Memphis? Portland? Houston? Dallas? Maybe OKC. Your ass wouldnt even put money on any of those teams to beat MiA.
Let be real here, in the last 3 years, its being OKC and Spurs. OKC was unfortunate to lose Russ and Memphis sneaked in through that backdoor only to be swept in the WCF.
they went 7 games with the celtics(and were down 3-2) and the pacers, but they'd have no problems in the west?

yeah, ok.:mjlol:
 

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But you said there IS a disparity, and quite frankly, the way his game is will not allow you to measure it properly......As I stated, I really don't see a difference in his effort between Cleveland and Miami...things always "appear" easier when you have better players around you....
:ohhh:But there IS a disparity. LeBron has even stated himself there is a disparity. That's why he went to Miami in the first place. The effort, pressure, and the amount of things he has to deal with is less than it was in Cleveland in Miami. Has DWade turns:flabbynsick: Lebron has to press more and try more. He as to do more as Wade does less. If you don't get that I'm sorry but it's the truth:yeshrug:
 

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I am sitting here trying to remember if back in the day, if MJ had put up the same numbers as Bron did during a finals game at home (resulting in a loss), would people try to shift blame on Pippen or Steve Kerr? Never in my life have I heard someone say, "Oh its ok, MJ/Kobe was tired".:pachaha:


Bron is a generational talent, but its amazing how much sympathy this man recieves

On some "he needs help" like he is still in Cleveland. With the firepower on that team, they should be putting up 105-110 points nightly. Outside of Kawhi, the Spurs don't have any great defenders. The big 3 combined for 30 shots last night :mindblown:

If he decided to dominate a game or two per series and put up 25 shots, it would take some pressure off of the role players. They would only need one or 2 great games per series instead of four. That's the only thing wrong with making the "right basketball play" every time. He holds the ball at the elbow for 9 seconds and then either turns it over trying to be the one to get the assist, or forces a tough shot because he let the defense get set for so long. If the right basketball play doesn't present itself within the flow of the offense, he needs to become the worlds best player that he is and dominate that possession.
 

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this whole MIA vs Western conference bullshyt needs to stop.
Seriously, besides the Spurs teamball, what team in the Western conference has the personnel to beat MIA in a 7 game series? The Clippers? Memphis? Portland? Houston? Dallas? Maybe OKC. Your ass wouldnt even put money on any of those teams to beat MiA.
Let be real here, in the last 3 years, its being OKC and Spurs. OKC was unfortunate to lose Russ and Memphis sneaked in through that backdoor only to be swept in the WCF.

:comeon: It isn't even about those teams beating Miami, it would be a grind all the way through for Miami to get to the finals in the West. They wouldn't be sleepwalking until the ECF like they can now for the most part. Wouldn't be getting out of series early & having time for Wade to rest his knees.
 
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