Legacy of Drew Brees?

[Bboystyle]

First of all I've only said Rodgers is bad in the NFCCG, not entire playoffs...

Second, we're in an era where everyone's passer rating is higher due to increased offensive rules and production that limits defensive impact. The Top 10 playoff passer ratings ever all played post-00 besides Starr and Montana, and everyone besides those two and Warner played their postseasons post-10. So his 5th highest passer rating isn't saying he the 5th best playoff performer ever, the same way his highest regular season passer rating ever doesn't make him the greatest QB ever...

I like passer rating too but it can be overvalued in the current era, gotta use more to evaluate guys properly...

That said Rodgers is better than Manning in the playoffs but the consistency of lower play in the championship game is comparable to Manning in the playoffs, its like Rodgers hits a wall in the Final Four. Might change now that he gets one at home...



Because he's only at 3 seasons. Brady won two Super Bowls in his first three years too. Marino was an MVP in Y2, too. Manning was a 2x All-Pro after 3 seasons, too. Nothing Mahomes is doing is unprecedented nor is it enough to lock him into GOAT discussions after 3 years when guys sustained top level production 3-5x as long...



It aint just the rings, how many times have I said this? Just like it isn't all the stats.. Its the entire body of work. Rodgers may not even be the best QB in the history of his franchise...

Aint nobody the GOAT with one ring lol. The consensus Top 4 is generally Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, all those guys have a minimum of two, played in a minimum of 4 Super Bowls, and have a winning conference championship game record (Manning 4-1, Elway 5-1, Montana 4-3, Brady 9-4). There is a standard here, you can't be the GOAT with one ring because that means you not even challenging for championships on a consistent basis...

Also your boy is not viewed in the same light as a crunch time assassin the way Brady, Montana, Elway were, and he does NOT play well on the road. Wanna talk about his road record in both regular season and playoffs?

The fact u saying elway show fukk all here


Yes lets talk about Rodgers winning record on the road 56-51

And i already disproved that whole road record ordeal. 98% of QBs have a shyt road record so singling our Rodgers is retarded because hes one of the few who has a winning record on the road

Your very own Elway has a worse road record then Rodgers


Joe Montana has a losing record on the road in the playoffs



I bet when u hit reply u thought u had something to prove here

Just admit u know fukk all and have shytty tastes in QBs (ben and elway ) and keep it moving

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Terrible list lmao...

Starting with Mahomes, you can't just "project" All-Time status onto muhfukkas, if he gets an Alex Smith injury next year and is never the same, we giving him All-Time status off 3 years? Come on, g!

You got muhfukkas all outta position, you got Staubach in your Top 5, a guy who was a starter for only 8 years, when there's clearly more than 5 guys who started more than 8 years with a greater list of accomplishments. I'm a Ben Stan, but he probably isn't Top 10. Elway #2? You got Manning at fukking #8 haha...

I appreciate you at least qualifying yourself but Brees is a Top 10 lock and you can definitely argue him as Top 5 (though I'd have him JUST outside Top 5, probably 6, no lower than 7)...



The "big QB" thing was a new thing anyway, relative to NFL history, because Warner, Baugh, Young, Rodgers, Favre and Montana were only 6'2, Tarkenton was only 6', Starr, Graham, and Johnny U were only 6'1, these are all All-Time QBs. The "big, burly" QB thing was a product if the 80s with Elway and Marino exploding into The League and for a quarter century everyone was looking for the Elway/Marino archetype; NFL was never really a "you gotta be a big QB to succeed" league abd its great Brees helped kick the door back the other way to where guys are graded more for talent than size...



Let's hear why...



I don't necessarily mind Elway over Brees, but he's Top 2 to you???

I should have stated “in no particular order” because that’s not a true 1-10 list. However, skill wise Mahomes is absolutely top 10 all time already & it’s not debatable. It’s why Marino is the only guy in my top 10 without a SB win because there’s no denying his skill set he’s clearly a better QB than Brees.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

I should have stated “in no particular order” because that’s not a true 1-10 list. However, skill wise Mahomes is absolutely top 10 all time already & it’s not debatable. It’s why Marino is the only guy in my top 10 without a SB win because there’s no denying his skill set he’s clearly a better QB than Brees.

Brees/Mahomes/Big Ben/Peyton/Brady/Stafford/Jameis all threw for 5000+ yards. All in modern times with the rules and regulations favoring the offense/QB.

Then.... Marino. In 1984. Throws for 5000+ yards. Goat level stuff.

 

[Bboystyle]

Brees/Mahomes/Big Ben/Peyton/Brady/Stafford/Jameis all threw for 5000+ yards. All in modern times with the rules and regulations favoring the offense/QB.

Then.... Marino. In 1984. Throws for 5000+ yards. Goat level stuff.

I swear i dunno a nikka age 35+ who doesnt see Marino as one of the goats. As a Packer fan, i still would take Marino over Favre and tied with Rodgers.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Brees/Mahomes/Big Ben/Peyton/Brady/Stafford/Jameis all threw for 5000+ yards. All in modern times with the rules and regulations favoring the offense/QB.

Then.... Marino. In 1984. Throws for 5000+ yards. Goat level stuff.

Marino was unbelievable. Sad that he never had a supporting cast around him later in his career because he deserved a ring. He was special.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Marino was unbelievable. Sad that he never had a supporting cast around him later in his career because he deserved a ring. He was special.

I always think of Marino when you think of opportunity(I was not old enough to really remember Marino's SB run). Loses to an ATG 49er team in 1984, everyone says he'll be back, it's just not his time. Never wins one, never even gets back to the SB again. Gotta strike when the time is right.

 

[murksiderock]

The fact u saying elway show fukk all here


Yes lets talk about Rodgers winning record on the road 56-51

And i already disproved that whole road record ordeal. 98% of QBs have a shyt road record so singling our Rodgers is retarded because hes one of the few who has a winning record on the road

Your very own Elway has a worse road record then Rodgers


Joe Montana has a losing record on the road in the playoffs



I bet when u hit reply u thought u had something to prove here

Just admit u know fukk all and have shytty tastes in QBs (ben and elway ) and keep it moving

I'm not an Elway fan, and why you get so emotional about Aaron Rodgers? Are you Rob Parker? Dude turns you guys into whiners and name callers, it aint that serious, g. Its football, everybody sees the game differently...

Ben is underrated as shyt...

It’s why Marino is the only guy in my top 10 without a SB win because there’s no denying his skill set he’s clearly a better QB than Brees.

Skill set dont make you a better player, it just means you have a higher ceiling. You have to realize your potential still. Personally I view Marino and Brees very closely, Marino is the #1 guy if we going by skill sets only...

Brees/Mahomes/Big Ben/Peyton/Brady/Stafford/Jameis all threw for 5000+ yards. All in modern times with the rules and regulations favoring the offense/QB.

Then.... Marino. In 1984. Throws for 5000+ yards. Goat level stuff.

For sure I've argued this for Marino too. By the same account though, all these guys broke 5k---->Brees broke 5000 yards five times. That ain't nothing but GOAT worthy yet this thread has a boatload of nikkas calling dude a dink and dunk guy as if you can throw for 5k without being a downfield threat...

Brees mastered the short pass game as well as anyone ever but this notion he couldn't stretch the field and crush dudes deep, as evidenced by opinion in this thread, is contrary to his history and evidence on the board! Dude easily a GOAT and you can argue him as Top 5, its arguable...

 

[Heavy_Handz]

I always think of Marino when you think of opportunity(I was not old enough to really remember Marino's SB run). Loses to an ATG 49er team in 1984, everyone says he'll be back, it's just not his time. Never wins one, never even gets back to the SB again. Gotta strike when the time is right.

Yep it’s like Ripken in baseball. Won ROY in 82, won MVP in 83 and they won the WS and you think this team and this dude gonna be back at it many times over and he never even gets back to the WS even tho he never misses a game for the next 13-14 years.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

I'm not an Elway fan, and why you get so emotional about Aaron Rodgers? Are you Rob Parker? Dude turns you guys into whiners and name callers, it aint that serious, g. Its football, everybody sees the game differently...

Ben is underrated as shyt...



Skill set dont make you a better player, it just means you have a higher ceiling. You have to realize your potential still. Personally I view Marino and Brees very closely, Marino is the #1 guy if we going by skill sets only...



For sure I've argued this for Marino too. By the same account though, all these guys broke 5k---->Brees broke 5000 yards five times. That ain't nothing but GOAT worthy yet this thread has a boatload of nikkas calling dude a dink and dunk guy as if you can throw for 5k without being a downfield threat...

Brees mastered the short pass game as well as anyone ever but this notion he couldn't stretch the field and crush dudes deep, as evidenced by opinion in this thread, is contrary to his history and evidence on the board! Dude easily a GOAT and you can argue him as Top 5, its arguable...

I’m not trying to say that you can’t argue Brees top 5 because I respect him enough to know that you absolutely can. I just don’t have him in my top 10 and I do factor skill set into my line of thinking. And Bree is 42 and Mahomes is maybe 24 so obviously he has to do it for many more years but he’s already got a ring and I’ll ALWAYS view him as a better QB than Brees man to man.

 

[Rell Lauren]

I always think of Marino when you think of opportunity(I was not old enough to really remember Marino's SB run). Loses to an ATG 49er team in 1984, everyone says he'll be back, it's just not his time. Never wins one, never even gets back to the SB again. Gotta strike when the time is right.

People who say that don't realize how hard is it to get there to begin with. All it takes is one off game and you're done. The best team doesn't always win.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

For sure I've argued this for Marino too. By the same account though, all these guys broke 5k---->Brees broke 5000 yards five times. That ain't nothing but GOAT worthy yet this thread has a boatload of nikkas calling dude a dink and dunk guy as if you can throw for 5k without being a downfield threat...

Brees mastered the short pass game as well as anyone ever but this notion he couldn't stretch the field and crush dudes deep, as evidenced by opinion in this thread, is contrary to his history and evidence on the board! Dude easily a GOAT and you can argue him as Top 5, its arguable...

To me it just illustrates how so very difficult it is to win a championship. If you wanna quibble about the rankings that's fine, but Brees is top 5-15 all time at QB.
Payton is a really, really good HC. To only get to 1 SB just illustrates you need so many things to go right and a little bit of luck to win a chip. It puts Brady's accomplishments in a much brighter light.

 

[Rell Lauren]

To me it just illustrates how so very difficult it is to win a championship. If you wanna quibble about the rankings that's fine, but Brees is top 5-15 all time at QB.
Payton is a really, really good HC. To only get to 1 SB just illustrates you need so many things to go right and a little bit of luck to win a chip. It puts Brady's accomplishments in a much brighter light.

All you have to do is look at the Chiefs. They were down double digits in every game. If Bill O'Brien made better coaching decisions in the first half, they likely pad their lead and move on. Kyle Shanahan gave away the Superbowl by going away from the run.

 

[Bboystyle]

I'm not an Elway fan, and why you get so emotional about Aaron Rodgers? Are you Rob Parker? Dude turns you guys into whiners and name callers, it aint that serious, g. Its football, everybody sees the game differently...

Ben is underrated as shyt...



Skill set dont make you a better player, it just means you have a higher ceiling. You have to realize your potential still. Personally I view Marino and Brees very closely, Marino is the #1 guy if we going by skill sets only...



For sure I've argued this for Marino too. By the same account though, all these guys broke 5k---->Brees broke 5000 yards five times. That ain't nothing but GOAT worthy yet this thread has a boatload of nikkas calling dude a dink and dunk guy as if you can throw for 5k without being a downfield threat...

Brees mastered the short pass game as well as anyone ever but this notion he couldn't stretch the field and crush dudes deep, as evidenced by opinion in this thread, is contrary to his history and evidence on the board! Dude easily a GOAT and you can argue him as Top 5, its arguable...

not emotional but when u make false statements i gotta call it out

 

[JYoung24]

Terrible list lmao...

Starting with Mahomes, you can't just "project" All-Time status onto muhfukkas, if he gets an Alex Smith injury next year and is never the same, we giving him All-Time status off 3 years? Come on, g!

You got muhfukkas all outta position, you got Staubach in your Top 5, a guy who was a starter for only 8 years, when there's clearly more than 5 guys who started more than 8 years with a greater list of accomplishments. I'm a Ben Stan, but he probably isn't Top 10. Elway #2? You got Manning at fukking #8 haha...

I appreciate you at least qualifying yourself but Brees is a Top 10 lock and you can definitely argue him as Top 5 (though I'd have him JUST outside Top 5, probably 6, no lower than 7)...



The "big QB" thing was a new thing anyway, relative to NFL history, because Warner, Baugh, Young, Rodgers, Favre and Montana were only 6'2, Tarkenton was only 6', Starr, Graham, and Johnny U were only 6'1, these are all All-Time QBs. The "big, burly" QB thing was a product if the 80s with Elway and Marino exploding into The League and for a quarter century everyone was looking for the Elway/Marino archetype; NFL was never really a "you gotta be a big QB to succeed" league abd its great Brees helped kick the door back the other way to where guys are graded more for talent than size...



Let's hear why...



I don't necessarily mind Elway over Brees, but he's Top 2 to you???

rodgers has some of the best playoff numbers manning had a rough start to the playoffs wbich kinds of messed up his numbers but hes had a bunch of great playoff games ironically he was great in the playoffs runs when he lost the superbowl

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Stupid ass Chargers is all I can say. We had loaded teams ready for the chip. Young Rivers was and is the same as old Rivers. The 06-09 Chargers left two rings on the table letting Brees walk. They chose wrong

You guys definitely had potential to reach the Super Bowl during that era.