Lets be real. The only reason why Biggie is in anybodys top 5 is because Pac shytted on him.

[kingofnyc]

Biggie is top 10, 5, and even 3...you could argue that.

And you guys gotta stop hyping about Biggie's sales when talking about Pac. Biggie debuted when NY was incredibly weak and losing to the west coast in sales. NY rap scene was looking to fill a void and Biggie was that artist to fill it. However, Pac debuted in 91 during a competitive scene in the west coast. Couple with the fact that R2D had strong pop rap singles that had crossover appeal, S4MN and 2N were underground albums.

pac lack of sales was due to a very competitve west
the excuse need to stop, pac had it better than just about any artist from the west back then
he was on a major label -possibly the number 1 label in the recording industry
he was a very good actor doing plenty of TV and movies
and he was getting endorse by a few hip hop clothing lines
he didnt sell records cause hip hop headz wasnt really feeling his music

it iz what it iz



biggie success in sales was due to a incredibly weak NY
like u really gonna say that ridiculous shyt
when before R2D drop, the 2 all time & lemme say it again ALL TIME albums from NY (both didnt go platinum till years later on)
that would be the incredible 'wu tang 36 chambers' thereafter the masterful 'nas illmatic'

 

[Mac Casper]

pac lack of sales was due to a very competitve west
the excuse need to stop, pac had it better than just about any artist from the west back then
he was on a major label -possibly the number 1 label in the recording industry
he was a very good actor doing plenty of TV and movies
and he was getting endorse by a few hip hop clothing lines
he didnt sell records cause hip hop headz wasnt really feeling his music

it iz what it iz



biggie success in sales was due to a incredibly weak NY
like u really gonna say that ridiculous shyt
when before R2D drop, the 2 all time & lemme say it again ALL TIME albums from NY (both didnt go platinum till years later on)
that would be the incredible 'wu tang 36 chambers' thereafter the masterful 'nas illmatic'

You're just showing you don't know how the industry works

 

[kingofnyc]

He said it in multiple interviews. Why do you think he never mentioned Biggie in Against All Odds, but said Puffy's?

I still need to see those receipts

Not the shooters, that was poorly worded. I meant he was still associated with the people who Pac felt had a hand in the shooting, whether indirectly or directly.

Who are these associates you're talking about I need names

The only people that visited him were family and close friends. He could've heard it from them, or from prison cellmates who had contact with the outside.

fair enough

 

[Mac Casper]

I still need to see those receipts


Who are these associates you're talking about I need names


fair enough

Look at this coward fukk ducking me

 

[Afromaticz]

fair enough - u have a right to your assessment of story

BUT
i only thing you cant deny is ...
pac fully knowing biggie had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting!

I guess Big was just guilty by association which is unfortunate but i can understand where Pac was comin from to be fair

These two were alot closer than Big and Puff
Big never fukkin liked the guy.

Pac i guess felt like Big sided with Puff after the shootin had happend

We all know that it was Puff who got him a deal and it was Puff who was puttin money in his pockets but he was also the one who kept Big away from Pac which would have deaded the whole issue in the first place

 

[Farrinto]

Yall really are trying to say that the Thug Life album is better than Ready to Die?

 

[kingofnyc]

I guess Big was just guilty by association which is unfortunate but i can understand where Pac was comin from to be fair

These two were alot closer than Big and Puff
Big never fukkin liked the guy.

Pac i guess felt like Big sided with Puff after the shootin had happend

We all know that it was Puff who got him a deal and it was Puff who was puttin money in his pockets but he was also the one who kept Big away from Pac which would have deaded the whole issue in the first place

how do u come up with these theories



breh - didnt u just ask me if i was getting paid by the wallace fam
the question should be
if you are getting paid by the shakur fam

as i stated to @Nomad1 were are these interviews were ac ONLY single out puff & says biggie had nothing to do with it
(we need receipts)


u actually know biggie was closer to pac then puff ???
what proof do u have, i know big n pac were real cool
but I have to believe once big told pac not to fukk with dem nikkaz from BK that pac began to roll with - and pac didnt listen
had to make big fell think ...well maybe were not that cool as i thought
**and im not even gonna to get into lil shawn interview were he made it seem like pac was the naive, wet behind the ears, herb that snitch on biggie & got him robbed** cause i never heard of that till shawn latest interview


finally what makes u think puff kept biggie away from pac thereafter
biggie went on tour with jr mafia and when he got back that vibe interview was done • and again why has all these people thereafter stated biggie and PUFF knew nothing (even in thd doc murder rap which damn near all pac heads take this as gospel - DET kading states that 2pac knew biggie & PUFF had nothing to do with the quad studio shooting)

 

[Exit9NJturnpike]

2 long threads arguing about nothing. Which artist has the bigger legacy? We all know who the GOAT is the end.

 

[Afromaticz]

how do u come up with these theories



breh - didnt u just ask me if i was getting paid by the wallace fam
the question should be
if you are getting paid by the shakur fam

as i stated to @Nomad1 were are these interviews were ac ONLY single out puff & says biggie had nothing to do with it
(we need receipts)


u actually know biggie was closer to pac then puff ???
what proof do u have, i know big n pac were real cool
but I have to believe once big told pac not to fukk with dem nikkaz from BK that pac began to roll with - and pac didnt listen
had to make big fell think ...well maybe were not that cool as i thought
**and im not even gonna to get into lil shawn interview were he made it seem like pac was the naive, wet behind the ears, herb that snitch on biggie & got him robbed** cause i never heard of that till shawn latest interview


finally what makes u think puff kept biggie away from pac thereafter
biggie went on tour with jr mafia and when he got back that vibe interview was done • and again why has all these people thereafter stated biggie and PUFF knew nothing (even in thd doc murder rap which damn near all pac heads take this as gospel - DET kading states that 2pac knew biggie & PUFF had nothing to do with the quad studio shooting)

Bruh Big never liked Puff but he did what he had to do so he could eat...Pac even wanted to sign Big to his Out Da Gutta Label but since Pac was short on cash due to all those lawyer bills, he told Big to stick with Bad Boy

He felt like Puff could offer him more in order for Big to blow.

True story right there

Big told Pac not to trust Jack cause he was trouble...Weeks after Pac gets arrested and charged for rape

After that charge which was a year before Quad.. Big and Pac was still very close.
That only changed after Pac got shot.

Pac stopped fukkin with Jack and Jimmy tho...and only agreed to come to the studio and record a verse for Shawn after Jimmy promised him a huge check...Jimmy kept blowin up his phone beggin him to come and Pac needed the money


As for the Murder Rap Docu...Pacs murder was spot on but as far as the Bigg murk and the Tupac Quad shooting??

Naww breh...i wasnt convinced.

Suge had nothin to do with Big gettin killed and Puff knew damn well that Pac was about to get robbed that night...

Him catchin those bullets was not part of the plan.

The less we say about Lil Shawn the better my brother



..

 

[Mac Casper]

Yall really are trying to say that the Thug Life album is better than Ready to Die?

Go listen track for track and drop the illusion

 

[Mac Casper]

how do u come up with these theories



breh - didnt u just ask me if i was getting paid by the wallace fam
the question should be
if you are getting paid by the shakur fam

as i stated to @Nomad1 were are these interviews were ac ONLY single out puff & says biggie had nothing to do with it
(we need receipts)


u actually know biggie was closer to pac then puff ???
what proof do u have, i know big n pac were real cool
but I have to believe once big told pac not to fukk with dem nikkaz from BK that pac began to roll with - and pac didnt listen
had to make big fell think ...well maybe were not that cool as i thought
**and im not even gonna to get into lil shawn interview were he made it seem like pac was the naive, wet behind the ears, herb that snitch on biggie & got him robbed** cause i never heard of that till shawn latest interview


finally what makes u think puff kept biggie away from pac thereafter
biggie went on tour with jr mafia and when he got back that vibe interview was done • and again why has all these people thereafter stated biggie and PUFF knew nothing (even in thd doc murder rap which damn near all pac heads take this as gospel - DET kading states that 2pac knew biggie & PUFF had nothing to do with the quad studio shooting)

You're so thickheaded. Prolly an evolutionary device to protect you form skullbashings since your're a known dumb dumb

 

[kingofnyc]

Bruh Big never liked Puff but he did what he had to do so he could eat...Pac even wanted to sign Big to his Out Da Gutta Label but since Pac was short on cash due to all those lawyer bills, he told Big to stick with Bad Boy

He felt like Puff could offer him more in order for Big to blow.

True story right there

breh - no diss

but thats has to be straight
big knew puff way before pac & puff signed big & cmack to uptown records - how da hell could pac sign big to a label that neverless pop'd off

as far as big not liking puff - what proof do u have

Big told Pac not to trust Jack cause he was trouble...Weeks after Pac gets arrested and charged for rape

After that charge which was a year before Quad.. Big and Pac was still very close.
That only changed after Pac got shot.

Pac stopped fukkin with Jack and Jimmy tho...and only agreed to come to the studio and record a verse for Shawn after Jimmy promised him a huge check...Jimmy kept blowin up his phone beggin him to come and Pac needed the money


As for the Murder Rap Docu...Pacs murder was spot on but as far as the Bigg murk and the Tupac Quad shooting??

Naww breh...i wasnt convinced.

Suge had nothin to do with Big gettin killed and Puff knew damn well that Pac was about to get robbed that night...

Him catchin those bullets was not part of the plan.

u keep saying puff knew - when every body says otherwise
why would puff put himself and his money maker number 1 artist in jeopardy if he knew shyt was gonna go down
shyt makes no sense l, puff too smart for that

The less we say about Lil Shawn the better my brother



..

whats your beef with lil shawn ???

 

[The War Report]

Biggie's catalog still shyts on a lot of rapper's shyt.

 

[The War Report]

Doggy Style, RTD, Capitol Punishment, IWW, HOE, The Lost Tapes, The Fix, Iron Man, aren't classics, just dope albums, some really dope.

Thug life isn't a classic, never was.

How is Doggy style, RTD, IWW, HOE not classics?

 

[Mac Casper]

breh - no diss

but thats has to be straight
big knew puff way before pac & puff signed big & cmack to uptown records - how da hell could pac sign big to a label that neverless pop'd off

as far as big not liking puff - what proof do u have


u keep saying puff knew - when every body says otherwise
why would puff put himself and his money maker number 1 artist in jeopardy if he knew shyt was gonna go down
shyt makes no sense l, puff too smart for that





whats your beef with lil shawn ???

Do you know how Puffy got the name Puffy?