Let's be reality.....R&B went to hell when vulgarity got introduced to it

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Seems like your saying R&B fell off because it mixed with Hip-Hop and lost its distinct sound and style. Which i agree with. But I don't see what that has to do with explicit content. You mention R. Kelly and Jodeci and all them but they were still pure R&B because like you said they came up in the church. And my point is the lyrics aint the problem.

No, that's where you're wrong.

R. Kelly & Jodeci were not pure R&B, neither was Mary J. Blige.

That was my point, they merged their church voices with Hip-Hop.

That's why they call Mary J. the "Queen" of what? "Hip-Hop Soul". That's what they made.

Pure R&B was Luther Vandross, Freddie Jackson, Melba Moore, Stephanie Mills, and shyt like that.

Pure R&B was what is now called "grown folks music".

you left off a couple other definitions of "vulgar".




yall have the term all fukked up. Vulgar does not mean people just straight up said "said my dikk" the vulgarity just referred to the reference of sex in general. So songs like Sexual Healing or Let's Get It On were vulgar, basically about fukking. If yall want to say the lyrics just got less creative then argue that, but vulgarity been around. A song like "Lay Your Head on My Pillow" was about eating p*ssy, and if you look at the lyrics that clearly what it's about, it's very vulgar once you know what the lyrics mean. It's laughable that you think "Lick you up and down" isn't vulgar.

So, would explicit be a better term for you to understand?

Like seriously.

If you can't understand the difference between saying "doing it" and "fukkin'" then there's nothing I can do for you.

One is a euphemism and one is explicit

SMH @ people willingly confusing eroticism and pornographic lyrics.


SMH @ people still denying the massification of the latter in RnB

Exactly, I don't know if the cats are retarded or just trolling

What y'all not going to do is go find ol girl who started saying blatantly that she wanted a rough neck .

MC Lyte?

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Sadly modern RnB's recent popularity surge means this shyt ain't going nowhere

It's just the rap aesthetics with vocal harmonies. Masses like the modern rap aesthetics, it's simple, easy, takes an untrained ear. And the content matches the thotty, superficial visuals that everyone is obsessed with

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Tbh I never really fukked with The Weeknd for this reason. He can sing, but always seemed like he's trying too hard to have edgy lyrics, and then I think about him being marketed to children. No hate, just never saw the appeal beyond a few catchy records

 

[Zebruh]

I'd rather use the word explicitness than vulgarity but in general, yeah.

 

[Higher Tech]

Lost it's lyricism, art of innuendo, and lady like or gentlemen approach

This all the way

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Interesting.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Lost it's lyricism, art of innuendo, and lady like or gentlemen approach

And this is the post of the thread.

R&B singers had a mastery of all of these elements....then it turned into 4 minutes of dudes talking about how they gonna put the p*ssy to sleep explicitly.

I guess when it comes down to it, you couldn't be as explicit with the lyrics in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s compared to now.

 

[Wild self]

Uppin

 

[Booker T Garvey]

It should be noted too that some of the best R&B songs have been on contemporary jazz artists albums, I don't know why these aren't promoted more:

 

[MasterThought]

Sheesh

 

[MasterThought]

It should be noted too that some of the best R&B songs have been on contemporary jazz artists albums, I don't know why these aren't promoted more:

This my jam

 

[Tribal Outkast]

In this type of threads, you always have people that will bring up some old song to prove that "it's always been like that".

Acting like there is no difference between something being marginal and that thing becoming the norm.

There is a pornographization of RnB. Anyone saying it's always been like that is lying.

Then they have to go out of their way to make the connection. I can easily hear the vulgarity now with no explanation needed. People had to make me aware of the “vulgarity” of a bunch of older songs.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

But y’all will dismiss this as..
It’s Cac/Asian imitation
It’s not Jodeci
News flash..
Your parents hated that shyt..
Just like you hate on the youngsters..
Learn to try to listen to new things..
And stop

The problem I think is that you can post all these great songs being made now(I love Cleo) but they’re not being played on traditional radio. People clown radio, but a lot of the old hits wouldn’t be hits if it wasn’t for radio. If some stations started playing a Devin Morrison or a Syd, you’ll never know what would happen. I mean look at this, Fetty Wap literally took a two year old song and redid it now folks think he did the shyt smh. He even did a remix Songs are Being wasted out here, careers are being wasted because they’re relying on people online to make them pop. They are missing out on a lot of possible older fans just because they’re not on the radio.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

You say that and 51 year old Stokely had the #1 R&B song in the country last week and he beat out Chris brown too....nothing hip hop about this at all:

Great song

 

[Hathaway]

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