Death6six6
All Star
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Lets talk about 2pac selling 5 million in 2 months and biggie selling 2 million in 2 years
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vaudevillevillain
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Knicksman20
Superstar
dig it.
7DT's promotion wasnt even all that great, and it still did better than LAD, which was shoved down our throats for an entire year.
7 day theory
all eyez on me
me against the world
7 day theory
easily.
pac was multi-plat and became the 1st incarrcerated artist to have the #1 album in the country off of MATW.
Weren't you born in the late 80's/90's? So you would've been 7-9 years old at this time yet you speak about this like you were old enough to understand?
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
@wordisbond1
You're being disohest with some points in your arguments.
1. "doesnt matter, i used it to get a point across"
Yes, a point that is completely obvious when discussing popular dead artists.
2. "2 years after pac's death, so that would kind of contradict pac not only just selling well because he died."
That is a poorly worded sentence. That's why I thought you said Pac contradicted himself.
3. "how the hell could you possibly know that? are you god or some fortune teller? jesus christ some of the logic pac stans use is just embarrassing"
No, your lack of understanding is completely embarrassing. When AEOM was certified 9x platinum in 1998, Death Row was crumbling from the inside-out. DR's finances were not even accounted for while it was running/after its collapse because Suge was not properly running things. When he was sent to jail his brother in law was "running" the business and it still continued to spiral downward. Now what does this have to do with AEOM not being certified diamond a long time ago?
Well, the rights to 2pac's music was being settled in court and DR's ownership was frequently being passed around. Until 2014, no one filed the legal documents to RIAA to have AEOM certified Diamond and the chaos surrounding DR/Afen's attempts to get 2pac's masters, had contributed to that. No way can AEOM sit a 9x platinum since 1998 and not being certified diamond if what I listed above didn't happen (it did). Tupac's situation is different from Biggie's. Pac's mother had to battle Suge for the rights to her son's music and Pac's former record label was constantly being shuffled around to different ownership's and they did not file the paperwork to RIAA to have AEOM (and Makaveli 7 Day Theory) certified with up to date sales.
Now you want me to show "proof", but I don't have access to to any of the legal documents listed above. However, the events I listed above has happened. The problem with you is that you cannot logically deduce/take facts into consideration in regards to AEOM certification.
4. "exactly lol, and when i see this paperwork or see proof that it exists ill believe it. and to be quite honest, that would be their fault anyways, so regardless, life after death went diamond before all eyez on me did"
I got a quote from one of the artists who have contributed towards Tupac's sales with AEOM. That is a primary source and if you want to dismiss it then that's your prerogative, and it really doesn't change anything. And if you think EDI is going to fish-out his legal documents to appease people on the internet then that is pretty naive. Just look at the net worth of Biggie Smalls compared to Tupac's. Biggie is worth over 100 million and Pac is sitting at 40 million. Pac has waaay more posthumous albums and he should have passed Biggie's net worth. The reason it hasn't is because of the who fiasco between the court battles of Afeni Shakur and Death Row. Biggie's mom has Pdiddy who has a function-able record label that files the papers to RIAA and other institutions that allows Biggie to sit at 100 milly.
Officially, LAD went diamond before AEOM, but they're other factors that allowed that to happen.
Also, you mention R2D selling more than Pac's first albums and AGAIN you choose to not take factors into consideration. Tupac debuted in a fiercely competitive west-coast scene that had NWA basically taking a chunk of the sales at the time. Tupac's first album was also heavily bootlegged (and there is a video of Tupac confronting a man who has done so). Biggie debuted in an East-coast music scene that had a void to be filled AND he had a record label to help him do that. Both of them debuted in two different environments. And LAD selling a mere 30 k more first week compared to 7 Day theory is not impressive because LAD is a double disk album so he technically he sold 345,000 first week.
That being said, Biggie sold impressively and I am not taking nothing away from him or his legacy.
You're being disohest with some points in your arguments.
1. "doesnt matter, i used it to get a point across"
Yes, a point that is completely obvious when discussing popular dead artists.
2. "2 years after pac's death, so that would kind of contradict pac not only just selling well because he died."
That is a poorly worded sentence. That's why I thought you said Pac contradicted himself.
3. "how the hell could you possibly know that? are you god or some fortune teller? jesus christ some of the logic pac stans use is just embarrassing"
No, your lack of understanding is completely embarrassing. When AEOM was certified 9x platinum in 1998, Death Row was crumbling from the inside-out. DR's finances were not even accounted for while it was running/after its collapse because Suge was not properly running things. When he was sent to jail his brother in law was "running" the business and it still continued to spiral downward. Now what does this have to do with AEOM not being certified diamond a long time ago?
Well, the rights to 2pac's music was being settled in court and DR's ownership was frequently being passed around. Until 2014, no one filed the legal documents to RIAA to have AEOM certified Diamond and the chaos surrounding DR/Afen's attempts to get 2pac's masters, had contributed to that. No way can AEOM sit a 9x platinum since 1998 and not being certified diamond if what I listed above didn't happen (it did). Tupac's situation is different from Biggie's. Pac's mother had to battle Suge for the rights to her son's music and Pac's former record label was constantly being shuffled around to different ownership's and they did not file the paperwork to RIAA to have AEOM (and Makaveli 7 Day Theory) certified with up to date sales.
Now you want me to show "proof", but I don't have access to to any of the legal documents listed above. However, the events I listed above has happened. The problem with you is that you cannot logically deduce/take facts into consideration in regards to AEOM certification.
4. "exactly lol, and when i see this paperwork or see proof that it exists ill believe it. and to be quite honest, that would be their fault anyways, so regardless, life after death went diamond before all eyez on me did"
I got a quote from one of the artists who have contributed towards Tupac's sales with AEOM. That is a primary source and if you want to dismiss it then that's your prerogative, and it really doesn't change anything. And if you think EDI is going to fish-out his legal documents to appease people on the internet then that is pretty naive. Just look at the net worth of Biggie Smalls compared to Tupac's. Biggie is worth over 100 million and Pac is sitting at 40 million. Pac has waaay more posthumous albums and he should have passed Biggie's net worth. The reason it hasn't is because of the who fiasco between the court battles of Afeni Shakur and Death Row. Biggie's mom has Pdiddy who has a function-able record label that files the papers to RIAA and other institutions that allows Biggie to sit at 100 milly.
Officially, LAD went diamond before AEOM, but they're other factors that allowed that to happen.
Also, you mention R2D selling more than Pac's first albums and AGAIN you choose to not take factors into consideration. Tupac debuted in a fiercely competitive west-coast scene that had NWA basically taking a chunk of the sales at the time. Tupac's first album was also heavily bootlegged (and there is a video of Tupac confronting a man who has done so). Biggie debuted in an East-coast music scene that had a void to be filled AND he had a record label to help him do that. Both of them debuted in two different environments. And LAD selling a mere 30 k more first week compared to 7 Day theory is not impressive because LAD is a double disk album so he technically he sold 345,000 first week.
That being said, Biggie sold impressively and I am not taking nothing away from him or his legacy.
mid-80s.
next time, have my info correct before you hop on my d*ck.
and what does this have to do with anything anyway?
some people do.None gives a fukk about a Big L type rapper
Knicksman20
Superstar
Hop on your dikk
? Not quite. How about you choke on one sideways though. I asked a serious question because I remember some of your posts & from what you've said about yourself you're well under 30.Hop on your dikk
you obviously dont follow my posts well. take notes next time.
and next time you type "your dikk", dont have your mouth wide-open next to it.
Knicksman20
Superstar
Takes notes from some young cornball nikka the reads about an era & thinks he knows it? Nah I don't need to follow someone that thinks he knows or thinks he's some kind of authority of the 90's hip hop scene yet was only 10 years old when Biggie was killed.
CashmereThoughts
Veteran
What did pas 1st album sell? Since we comparing it to biggies 1stb-b-b-but 2pac wasnt hot when he was alive, he only benefited from dying
@StillNotSoft
i was fully aware of the other things it mentioned in the article, i was just using it still to get a point across and btw ...hmm looks like the same thing would apply for you right now as well, judging by what was also included in your quote from the article, but you also forgot to mention it... which can be seen here.
so dont act like his death is one of the sole factors that affected/helped its sales (note: i never said that pac's death was the sole reason why any of his albums sold well, refer back to your first reply where you mention the part about him being in death row)
btw, idk how you havent realized this, but in this quote from the article, theyre saying it was an estimate/projection, from the so called "One big national chain", which they happen to not even mention the real name of, so theres no real proof
and you know damn well the anticipation of what 2pac would say in response to Who Shot Ya (because he thought it was about him) as well as all of the other controversy circling him/life, as well as his death (which biggie didnt need for ready to die as will be proven later on in this post) accounted for a large portion of his sales (which has been proven earlier or will be proven later in this post) for alot of his albums but especially all eyez on me and don killuminati, as was already proven, so the same basic principle applies to pac as well.
and apparently not so much though right? ..., "10,000 copies of his 1994 debut, Ready to Die"and like i said before ready to die had already been certified 2 times platinum before he died (pac's first two albums including thug life couldnt do this and didnt do it) (and me against the world sold the same amount as ready to die around that time (1995) because of controversy, and ill speak more on this later on in this post), so that isnt very relevant especially seeing as how that figure (10,000) apparently didnt go up to high in the grand scheme of things did it? especially when compared to that "67,000" figure that you so happened to conveniently leave out thats associated with one of pac's albums.
...............
yes but youre still talking about biggie's death helping biggie's sales and about how it basically being one of the sole reasons of his sales, which is why i continue to talk about pac's death helping his sales, and im not saying biggies death didnt help his LAD sales, because that would be stupid as well. also, 2pac's death isnt the only factor i included of why he sold well, refer back to your part about him being in death row in your first post
thats because their argument is valid, controversy/death DID help pac more than it heped biggie. ready to die was certified gold (500,000 copies) on november 16, 1994 BEFORE any controversy/beef started. there wasnt a single pac album that received a certification until the year 1995 or later, (thug life was never given any certification) when the controversy/beef had already started and taken hold. his first three albums didnt receive a certification until 1995 and one of those albums(MATW) happened to even been released in the year 1995 (when the beef/controversy was initially really blowing up) so its clear that controversy/death helped pac way more than biggie and mightve even helped pac to sell records period.
the bolded part of the quote is proof that it took controversy and/or significant events for it to sell better, and it doesnt really matter anyways, ready to die is still certified at 4x platinum(4,000,000) and me against the world is certified 2x platinum, ...and hmm maybe that would be because theres a possibility that "3,524,567" number might not be real and/or factual because theres no proof for it and its just posted on wikipedia and a site without it actually saying "according to soundscan"? and even if it does say something like "according to soundscan" somewhere on the site and even if that number IS real, it still hasnt sold as much as ready to die
got any proof?
idk you tell me, and hes the highest selling rapper of all time because: his death as was already mentioned, and even by yourself basically, "I don't debate death helped Pacs sales becuz that would be stupid", because of controversy/beef, as was already mentioned/proven as well, and because a ridiculous amount of material from him (mostly posthumously) has been released, but anyways its still quality over quantity.
the facts that still stand regardless are that:
1. Life After Death went diamond before all eyez on me did http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/03/the-making-of-life-after-death-many-men/
2. life after death had higher 1st week sales than all eyez on me and don killuminati
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-14/entertainment/ca-64364_1_don-killuminati
3. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED didnt sell as much as biggie's "ready to die" when they were both still alive
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
4. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED still havent sold as much as biggie's ready to die
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
5. biggie's ready to die has sold more than me against the world
http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=30112254#/
6. it took 2pacalypse now 4 years just to go gold (500,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
7. it took strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. 2 years just to go platinum once (1,000,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
8. thug life still to this day, has not received a single riaa certification, (note: on wikipedia it says it has gone gold, but there is no proof)
(look this up on riaa.com)
9. Biggie's "Ready to Die" was certified double platinum (2x platinum)(2,000,000 copies) in october 1995, which was one year and one month after its release in september of '94.
(look this up on riaa.com)
Sound like we on the same page then
...we both agree some hype and death helped they album sales....neither was doin Bone Thugs,Mc Hammer numbers without some manufactured hype and controversy...lets not act like Biggie was snoop out the gate,nikka was doin less than E40 the gawd the first week until that NY hype train came along praying they had a answer to Snoop and Deathrow
But just one last thing on this,Biggie actually should be close to 15 million or more on LAD based on my mathmatics....the fact he only certified diamond and Pac right on his azz you gotta give Pac some credit here don't you think
?Biggie only had two albums,and if you wanted his music you had to buy those two albums after he died....Pac had a Greatest Hits album that went diamond btw
,that allowed fairweather fans to do what they do and just buy Pacs most popular shyt on one album without having to go back and buy his other albums if they wanted it.as a logical person im sure you can understand why its not that impressive LAD went diamond first,the real question we should be asking is why is it only diamond at this point?everybody got it who want it
?You know what I was being humble and gracious but fukk that
....we gon compare the sales of a nikka who got two albums to choose from against a nikka who got 12 viable options to choose from
Biggie stans I know this thread about Biggie but
...Jayz stans and Eminem stans bring yalls asses in here so we can really have somebody to spar wit
i was in 7th grade when pac & big got killed clown.
stop trying to lie on dudes to save face. thats fakkit chit.
and shoot, i was cognizant before 10 anyway, so saying i was 10 isnt even an insult.
you sound like youre white and prolly got into hip-hop when you went away to college. f*ck off already.
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ucanthandlethetruth
Failure is not a option
THE FACTS that still stand regardless are that:
1. Life After Death went diamond before all eyez on me did http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/03/the-making-of-life-after-death-many-men/
2. life after death had higher 1st week sales than all eyez on me and don killuminati
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-14/entertainment/ca-64364_1_don-killuminati
3. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED didnt sell as much as biggie's "ready to die" when they were both still alive
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
4. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED still havent sold as much as biggie's ready to die
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
5. biggie's ready to die has sold more than me against the world
http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=30112254#/
6. it took 2pacalypse now 4 years just to go gold (500,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
7. it took strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. 2 years just to go platinum once (1,000,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
8. thug life still to this day, has not received a single riaa certification, (note: on wikipedia it says it has gone gold, but there is no proof)
(look this up on riaa.com)
9 Biggie's "Ready to Die" was certified double platinum (2x platinum)(2,000,000 copies) in october 1995, which was one year and one month after its release in september of '94.
(look this up on riaa.com)
nikka in here treating pac stans like
1. Life After Death went diamond before all eyez on me did http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/03/the-making-of-life-after-death-many-men/
2. life after death had higher 1st week sales than all eyez on me and don killuminati
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-14/entertainment/ca-64364_1_don-killuminati
3. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED didnt sell as much as biggie's "ready to die" when they were both still alive
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
4. 2pac's first two albums, including thug life, COMBINED still havent sold as much as biggie's ready to die
(look this up on riaa.com) http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/09/tupac-month-2pacs-discography/
5. biggie's ready to die has sold more than me against the world
http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=30112254#/
6. it took 2pacalypse now 4 years just to go gold (500,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
7. it took strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. 2 years just to go platinum once (1,000,000 copies)
(look this up on riaa.com)
8. thug life still to this day, has not received a single riaa certification, (note: on wikipedia it says it has gone gold, but there is no proof)
(look this up on riaa.com)
9 Biggie's "Ready to Die" was certified double platinum (2x platinum)(2,000,000 copies) in october 1995, which was one year and one month after its release in september of '94.
(look this up on riaa.com)
nikka in here treating pac stans like