Let's Talk About Gun Control

[Domingo Halliburton]

The point of the quote is that you were denying that the 2nd amendment was at all put in place to protect against the government. Get real.

so you're telling me the only reason the second amendment was put in place was to protect us from the government?

 

[ill]

Here are some nice quotes for you anti-gun people. These are the founders of this country. Times change but the philosophy doesn't. If you disagree, feel free to move out of the land of freedom and liberty.

Quotes on Firearms Rights

 

[Liu Kang]

You are the problem with this country and world today. All you think of is the SHORT TERM. Just because I have nothing to fear from my government TODAY does not mean it will be the case in 15 years. It is a LAST CASE situation to use guns against ones own government. Again, just because everything is all good right now doesn't mean it will be the case in the future. Its called being prepared. Its called owning ones own life and the safety and security of it. I don't depend on anyone but myself for my protection. If you have the govt protecting you, great. We will see how you feel when they come after you for something you disagree with.

First off, I'm not american, that's why I was saying "your".

Second, as an foreigner, I think that defiant mentality against "the state" (which appears to be very american) is very problematic IMO. In other countries, there may have some defiance against the government/state but never to the point where people gotta own guns for an hypothetical revolution... And if they did, it would be more a case of paranoia than anything else.

But once again, I'm not american, so I don't really understand y'all way of seeing things.

 

[Broke Wave]

How do you plan on taking away all the guns that are already on the street?

We already have STRICT gun laws for illegal possession.

Do you plan on having a "turn in your gun to the government" day when these laws go into effect?

I'll let the GOAT tell you:

Ok now we are having a reasonable and rational discussion.

We have strict laws for illegal gun possession, yes, and that usually targets inner city folks who have illegal guns. They get time in prison yada yada.

I do not intend to remove all the guns off the streets... I don't believe in a "Turn in your gun" day... or solving any systemic problem in a day. I believe that with stricter controls, tighter monitoring of firearms we can solve SOME of the problem. There will be illegal guns on the street friend but we need to allow them to dry up, which will take time. We need to closely monitor all gun shops and manufacturers. Each gun owner should have to report and renew his license every year and give a status of their firearms. Gun shows should just be outright banned. Should be a course associated with getting the license just like an automobile. Basically can we attached the restrictions that we have on automobiles, on maybe a SLIGHTLY tougher level, to machines designed to kill human beings?

 

[ill]

so you're telling me the only reason the second amendment was put in place was to protect us from the government?

I've seen you in other posts and know you are literate so I dont understand how you missed the part in the quote where it said "as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

I think you live with a white picket fence. I live in a nice town. However the town next to mine is ghetto as fukk. I've had my house broken into. That shyt traumatized my mom. I said never again. Sorry if you've never had a gun pointed at your head. Sorry if you've never had a break in. I have and I know what it takes to protect myself and my family.

i live in south central breh try again. When I was 16 someone attempted to break in our house but fortunately for us my father worked nights and was pulling up to the house see the b*stard and chased him down.....with a police baton he got when he was on MP duty in the army.

 

[True Weltch Media]

so you're supporting gun ownership because you're afraid of the government?

Absolutely on a macro scale. But guns are more importantly needed for the fukkery that goes on amongst our communities

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If I miss with a taser, he will have plenty of time to attack me. If i hit him with rubber bullets and take an eye out, he will sue me in civil court. If I put a bullet in his head and take him off of this earth then he can do me no harm anymore. Simple.

What if you miss with your gun? What if your gun jams?What if you shoot and be lives? What if yo miss and the bullet goes on to hit a neighbor?

Your what ifs apply to guns, just like anything else.

 

[Tikal]

You are the problem with this country and world today.

Really,breh? someone who is trying to find a way to minimize violence is the part of the problem which plagues the world?

If your gov really wants to get you they will. I mean they have trained swat teams to fight extremely armed criminals bit somehow you believe your handgun is gonna make a difference if they come against you.

Wars were fought different when the constitution was written, people ran with rifles and now they have tanks and drones to hit one another what's that against a rifle?

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[mbewane]

Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children - CNN.com

But its only guns that hurt people

Tragedies bring out the irrational fears of people who can't think long term.

I'm gonna grab some food and start replying to previous posts in a few.

Breh, bs happens all the time all over the world. We know that. But if you use a couple of instances of violence around the world to refute that you have shoot outs every other month, you're in denial. At least some other posters acknowledge the issue, some either call for a ban, others for tighter control, but they are aware that OBVIOUSLY something is wrong.

And notice how the kids in China are "wounded". Those in Connecticut are DEAD. That's a sensible difference to me, and probably to the kids and their families.

honestly guns are outdated

we dont even live in the same time as the people who said we should ahve the right to bear arms

most people cant even justify having a gun

protecting your home?
hunting?

MAkes no damn sense if you ask me breh.

I've never heard anyone say "I need protection from my government" in real life as justification for owning a gun. Only fringe lunatics say things like that or maybe the idiots on here.

And by the way you bring up some good points. But I know you'll get berated by the gun lobby in here.

And whoever said our founders set up the second amendment so the government would be afraid of their people is wrong. It was set up to arm militias to fight the British.

Breh, you have no idea how reassuring that is, because that's like the number one reason that is brought here. Props for bringing some sense in this discussion.

Yea, but the problem isn't the guns.

I already have documented countries that have higher rates of gun ownership than America yet less gun crime.

We already have strict laws in America for illegal possession. In Florida it's automatically 10 years, even if the weapon is unloaded.

10-20-Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the info on Switzerland.

BBC News | EUROPE | Switzerland and the gun

Brehs, it's one of two things:

A. Too many guns are the problem, in which case you need tighter and stricter FEDERAL control (it's stupid to have tight controls in one state whne you can drive to the neighbouring state where it's more lax).

B. Guns are NOT the problem. People always bring up Switzerland, but it's my understanding that those guns are issued after military service (so people are disciplined and know how to use the gun) and tightly regulated. Whatever the case may be, they are obviously doing something right: when was the last time you heard of a shootout at a swiss school?

So for those who use "The Swiss excuse", ask yourself this question: why is it that Switzerland has all those guns but hardly any gun violence, but the US do? Either Americans are just naturally violent (which I don't believe, even though I sometimes wonder), or there are...rules that could be implemented to reduce said gun violence. If you don't ask yourself the question, for me that means that a dozen dead kids every now and then don't bother you.

Can somebody answer this: is your "right to bear arms" REALLY worth all these innocent victims?

 

[Shogun]

I think it's crazy to pinpoint any one reason for all this violence and senceless killing. Would tougher gun laws help? Perhaps. No one knows for sure. I respect most of yalls opinions, but I don't respect some of you who think you have all the answers....no doubts about it. This is a much larger problem than simply toughening gun laws can stop.

 

[daze23]

How do you plan on taking away all the guns that are already on the street?

obviously it wouldn't happen instantaneously. no one is claiming it would be magic, just that it would reduce the numbers over time. illegal guns would become rare and expensive. as it is now they're plentiful and cheap

 

[Type Username Here]

Ok now we are having a reasonable and rational discussion.

We have strict laws for illegal gun possession, yes, and that usually targets inner city folks who have illegal guns. They get time in prison yada yada.

I do not intend to remove all the guns off the streets... I don't believe in a "Turn in your gun" day... or solving any systemic problem in a day. I believe that with stricter controls, tighter monitoring of firearms we can solve SOME of the problem. There will be illegal guns on the street friend but we need to allow them to dry up, which will take time. We need to closely monitor all gun shops and manufacturers. Each gun owner should have to report and renew his license every year and give a status of their firearms. Gun shows should just be outright banned. Should be a course associated with getting the license just like an automobile. Basically can we attached the restrictions that we have on automobiles, on maybe a SLIGHTLY tougher level, to machines designed to kill human beings?

What do you propose? Don't speak in generalities.

 

[ill]

What if you miss with your gun? What if your gun jams?What if you shoot and be lives? What if yo miss and the bullet goes on to hit a neighbor?

Your what ifs apply to guns, just like anything else.

What if I like my chances a lot better of hitting him with a gun than any other weapon?

What if the best and most efficient way to get rid of someone trying to do me hard is to put a bullet in his head?

 

[ill]

Really,breh? someone who is trying to find a way to minimize violence is the part of the problem which plagues the world?

If your gov really wants to get you they will. I mean they have trained swat teams to fight extremely armed criminals bit somehow you believe your handgun is gonna make a difference if they come against you.

Wars were fought different when the constitution was written, people ran with rifles and now they have tanks and drones to hit one another what's that against a rifle?

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Yet with all these tanks and drones they still send in GROUND FORCES with guns.