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Let's talk about the deteriorating skill of Jay-Z
- Thread starter Dusty Bake Activate
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Well... Last Jayz Album I bought was Black Album
He wasnt about to fool me with Kingdom Come
American Gangster was just Ok
BluePrint 3 was just Terrible
And watch the throne was just ok too
He needs to quit with that "Buy my old shyt if you wanna hear me be extra Lyrical or talk about something meaningful other than how much money I got and the cars I Drive"
He wasnt about to fool me with Kingdom Come
American Gangster was just Ok
BluePrint 3 was just Terrible
And watch the throne was just ok too
He needs to quit with that "Buy my old shyt if you wanna hear me be extra Lyrical or talk about something meaningful other than how much money I got and the cars I Drive"
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
So what was ridiculous about anything I said? BP3 wasn't lackluster? Jay's verses on WTT weren't pedestrian? Jay hasn't fallen off considerably in terms of lyrics and passion since he came back from his fake retirement?
The fact that you have Nas' album as your avi, and then bring him up in your explanation by praising him, as if he has never done any wrong just makes cats go
When did I ever say or imply Nas never did anything wrong?
Yeah I have to remember that this is stan central when any time you levy any honest criticism about any artist, people will tell you you're shytting on them, even if you're a fan of them.
Yesterday, I was told I was slandering De La and ATCQ's first albums just because I said they don't knock in the car even though I identified them as classics and called them some of my all time faves.
Then I was told I was shytting on Ghostface because I said Nas is a better emcee even though I called Ghost my 2nd favorite emcee of all time and put him in a virtual tie for #1 as the best solo discography ever.
American Gangster was a very, very good album. I just pointed out that he had to make a concept album and go retro, talking about his street days for the whole album to pull off the only legitimate banger he's dropped since The Black Album. It illustrates his declining subject matter and artistic growth.
What standout verses were their on WTT? We're just going to have to agree to disagree there because I must've missed those. He had some solid moments like Murder to Excellence, but mostly I just heard a 42 year old man spitting lukewarm punchlines about how rich he is.
Jay fans on sohh were talking about he "blacked out" on Who Gon Stop Me.
The bar is being set pretty low when all someone has to do is rap a lengthy verse at the end of a song while the beat rides and spit some tired redundant about how he used to be broke and now he's rich with bullshyt ass bars like "Okay here, like a hare, like a rabbit, I like karats/carrots, I'm allergic to havin bunny ears" and his stans call it blackout status.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Jay is the most influential and these nikkas role models cause he does something new with every album. Some nikkas are too dumb to understand this, but it's cool it wasn't meant to be easy.
Real recognize real, most rappers understand, most of hiphop media understand, most commercial media, most legends, most execs and on. People anticipate to see what Jay is gonna do next like he's been on a Hiatus even if there's only 1 year between his albums on average. The reason for this is that he's not trying to emulate RD and BP or AG or TBA or any album. And cats know this.
Gator King, don't even address me.
I'm only addressing young Nas stans, discussing with you dudes is like trying to discuss the constitution with with Bin Ladin
These are stereotypical Jay dikkrider/apologist posts.
Ad hominem attack on the messenger...check.
Boasts about Jay's "influence" and call people who don't worship him like an idol "too dumb to understand" in order to deflect from the fact that he's in decline...check.
Cliched, vacuous apple-polishing statements like "real recognize real" that try to obscure the truth...check.
Attempts to explain away his lack of lyrical prowess and creativity in recent years by saying he wants to "do different things" and "ain't trying to be lyrical no more," as if one can't grow and move in a different artistic direction and still maintain your level of lyricism....check
The only thing missing was a Jay quote. I was expecting "Do y'all listen to music or do you just skim through it?" at any moment.
You talk about Jay wanted to do different things, but that is exactly what he's not doing. He's stagnant and repeating the same thing, just in a less compelling and less skillful way.
Dude's been running out of creative gas for a minute now. The only really impressive album he's made post-fake retirement was AG, and that was delving into his past and kind of re-telling Reasonable Doubt as an older man in a sense. You might occasionally get a No Church In the Wild, but the rest of his stuff has been mostly the same old "Look at me I'm rich and I'm an icon and hang around famous white people" pleas for you to love and praise him.
Big Mel
@bigboss
"Nas has the best solo discography of all time"
- Thread starter
this is a reactionary potshot at Jay Z in light of LIG's perceived triumph. Nothing more, nothing less.
Meanwhile, just as many if not more people were reacting similarly to WTT last year as they are this week to Nas' shyt. Only more people bought it.
- Thread starter
this is a reactionary potshot at Jay Z in light of LIG's perceived triumph. Nothing more, nothing less.
Meanwhile, just as many if not more people were reacting similarly to WTT last year as they are this week to Nas' shyt. Only more people bought it.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
i haven't checked for Jay since maybe half of AG but I still cop his albums cause wifey likes em.........To me he's said everything he can possibly say, in every possible way he can say it. My ears are pretty much immune to his voice and flow at this point BUT, the dude is still top 3 and that won't change. Too many joints I rocked with to shyt on him or talk about what he aint doin at this point in his career. He's KRS, Rakim and them dudes to me now---spot is secured forever even though i never have to hear him rap again in life. He had his run with me from my college days when the Dead Presidents video used to come on and I would get mad cause I thought it was Ny NY---only for it to end up bein my favorite Jay song to this day. I'm just not checkin for him no more. But I won't ever slight the man's achievements on the mic. Slim Charles to Avon-- "Yo B, he was a man in his time."
VVD, everything that dude Harry said about you and Nas stans is true. I've said it time and again. The old site and now the Booth here have the done the greatest amount to make me be irritated with Nas.
I got clowned the other day by Nv-Me and got called a mad "idiot" because I said it was clownish for him to say that 20 years from now Nas will be regarded as the voice of this generation
Do you know how outlandish that shyt is? I won't even reiterate why it was. I can just copy and paste that post. In a thread bigging up Nas they found a way to deduce Jay-Z to a party rapper. Yet, no one manned up to explain how 80% of the songs on a Jay album can't be played at parties yet he is still a party rapper. Nas fans can be insufferable sometimes. And they ALWAYS find a way to reference Jay-Z while they're at it. ALWAYS.
It's crazy to me. These are two favorite rappers ever, and sitting back objectively it's clear Jay-Z has a more diverse fan base and maybe somewhere in that, the core group that vibes with Nas resent it.
I got clowned the other day by Nv-Me and got called a mad "idiot" because I said it was clownish for him to say that 20 years from now Nas will be regarded as the voice of this generation
Do you know how outlandish that shyt is? I won't even reiterate why it was. I can just copy and paste that post. In a thread bigging up Nas they found a way to deduce Jay-Z to a party rapper. Yet, no one manned up to explain how 80% of the songs on a Jay album can't be played at parties yet he is still a party rapper. Nas fans can be insufferable sometimes. And they ALWAYS find a way to reference Jay-Z while they're at it. ALWAYS.
It's crazy to me. These are two favorite rappers ever, and sitting back objectively it's clear Jay-Z has a more diverse fan base and maybe somewhere in that, the core group that vibes with Nas resent it.
OG Talk
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VVD, everything that dude Harry said about you and Nas stans is true. I've said it time and again. The old site and now the Booth here have the done the greatest amount to make me be irritated with Nas.
I got clowned the other day by Nv-Me and got called a mad "idiot" because I said it was clownish for him to say that 20 years from now Nas will be regarded as the voice of this generation
Do you know how outlandish that shyt is? I won't even reiterate why it was. I can just copy and paste that post. In a thread bigging up Nas they found a way to deduce Jay-Z to a party rapper. Yet, no one manned up to explain how 80% of the songs on a Jay album can't be played at parties yet he is still a party rapper. Nas fans can be insufferable sometimes. And they ALWAYS find a way to reference Jay-Z while they're at it. ALWAYS.
It's crazy to me. These are two favorite rappers ever, and sitting back objectively it's clear Jay-Z has a more diverse fan base and maybe somewhere in that, the core group that vibes with Nas resent it.
Cool story..
What about this thread topic though..
I still like Jay, he seems to stay in a more similar lane than an artist like Nas though. Doesn't take as many chances, and probably doesn't seem as focussed probably because of his status. But I'm happy to have Jay around cause mainstream wise him and Nas are the best to me.
Trajan
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The audacity of this shyt is that you used Nas a comparison. Nas who from Street's Disciple until Untitled was walking around using the same boring monotone flow and lacked passion in his voice. You can't be serious. They were the same over the past few years. Highlights and flashes of greatness, but not complete sustained excellence. But both better than everyone else. Certainly they have not deteriorated to the place Eminem is at where he's all flow and no lyrics. They both still have bars and it's only the delivery that is lacking at times. That's fixable.
Shiny Suit Theory he was spitting. Obviously he can black out to that at any moment. His 3 Kings verse was good too. He was the only good thing about the song. It was the delivery that was slightly lazy. I call out a bad Hov verse when I see it.
He was spitting No Church In the Wild, Murder to Excellence, Why I Love You, his flow was impeccable on Ham (flabby live though), he was ill on New Day, flow was nice on "That's My bytch" and he was nice on Primetime and the Joy. I have no idea what you're talking about. This is like saying MJ's wack because he was better in 92 than he was in 98.
He was still better than everybody. Same goes for Jay and Nas. Stop and look at the landscape of Hip Hop and the mainstream. Jay-Z is the only mainstream rapper left that even attempts to rap that even reminds you of what an emcee looks like. He's the only one from his era that can. He'll never rap like 01 again and 01 type rappers won't be blowing up again anytime soon. Remember Lupe's initial hype? What did he do to become commercially successful? For all this talk about Jay falling off, whenever he's on a track with someone else who is hot, he always out spits them or is right there with them.
"Pressure" from Lupe is like the only exception. But Lu was otherworldly on that.
Shiny Suit Theory he was spitting. Obviously he can black out to that at any moment. His 3 Kings verse was good too. He was the only good thing about the song. It was the delivery that was slightly lazy. I call out a bad Hov verse when I see it.
He was spitting No Church In the Wild, Murder to Excellence, Why I Love You, his flow was impeccable on Ham (flabby live though), he was ill on New Day, flow was nice on "That's My bytch" and he was nice on Primetime and the Joy. I have no idea what you're talking about. This is like saying MJ's wack because he was better in 92 than he was in 98.
He was still better than everybody. Same goes for Jay and Nas. Stop and look at the landscape of Hip Hop and the mainstream. Jay-Z is the only mainstream rapper left that even attempts to rap that even reminds you of what an emcee looks like. He's the only one from his era that can. He'll never rap like 01 again and 01 type rappers won't be blowing up again anytime soon. Remember Lupe's initial hype? What did he do to become commercially successful? For all this talk about Jay falling off, whenever he's on a track with someone else who is hot, he always out spits them or is right there with them.
"Pressure" from Lupe is like the only exception. But Lu was otherworldly on that.
Big Mel
@bigboss
Relapse saw Eminem on another planet lyrically.
whether or not you liked the content/beats/accent is another story.
whether or not you liked the content/beats/accent is another story.
I dont see any decline in skill.
What I see from Jay is Cal Ripken level consistency of dropping music people actually want to hear and purchase. Some of my favorite Jay verses have come out after BP3.
Shiny Suit Theory
Free Mason
Sun Moon & Stars
Who Gon Stop Me
The Joy
Murder to Excellence
Theres more, but fukk yall.
All this overreaction to a verse on a song with Dre and Ross? Was he supposed to drop something super lyrical? Why? Cuz those 2 are top of the line emcees? shyt would have sounded out of place with their struggle bars.
Its not what you say, it's how you say it. Jay has a new flow every week. He keeps it fresh. Unlike being lyrical flow is a god given musical talent. Nas would throw everyone of yall rhyme nerds in the bushes to be able to flow well enough to keep the general public's interest.
What I see from Jay is Cal Ripken level consistency of dropping music people actually want to hear and purchase. Some of my favorite Jay verses have come out after BP3.
Shiny Suit Theory
Free Mason
Sun Moon & Stars
Who Gon Stop Me
The Joy
Murder to Excellence
Theres more, but fukk yall.
All this overreaction to a verse on a song with Dre and Ross? Was he supposed to drop something super lyrical? Why? Cuz those 2 are top of the line emcees? shyt would have sounded out of place with their struggle bars.
Its not what you say, it's how you say it. Jay has a new flow every week. He keeps it fresh. Unlike being lyrical flow is a god given musical talent. Nas would throw everyone of yall rhyme nerds in the bushes to be able to flow well enough to keep the general public's interest.
OG Talk
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The point is, most people who say Jay fell off either A) don't like him as a person and his music and never really did, but begrudgingly gave props or B) think that everyone should rap like it's 96-00 all the time C) Are Nas stans who will hate on anything Jay does D) Are just tired of his subject matter. It's not his skills. It's what he's talking about.
To be fair, Jay doesn't have much else left to say. He really shouldn't drop another solo album for like 2 more years.
While I do agree his subject matter is the most limited out of all of the potential GOAT candidates on my list, I feel like his actual skills are in decline recently..
His flow on "Illest Mfer Alive" was an abomination...It was straight up embarrasing...His punchlines are becoming a lot more predictable (on some Ludacris shyt) and that used to never be the case...I haven't hit the rewind button on any of his verses post AG...
On some of his BP3 verses he seemed bored... On To The Next is more about him swaggin than displaying skills...If someone like Wayne released the same verse dudes would have called it corny and limited..
Hov on that new shyt n-ggas like how come
N-ggas want my old sh-t, buy my old album
N-ggas stuck on stupid, I gotta keep it moving
N-ggas make the same sh-t, me I make the blueprint
Came in Range, hopped out the Lexus
every year since i’ve bin on that next sh-t
traded in the gold for the platinum rolex’s
Now a n-gga wrist match the status of my records
Used to rock a throwback, ballin on the corner
Now I rock a tailored suit looking like a owner
No I'm not a Jonus brother I’m a grown up
No I’m not a virgin I use my cahonas
I move forward the only direction
cant be scared to fail Search for perfection
Gotta keep it fresh even when we sexing
but don’t be mad at him when he’s on to the next one
Now compare that to this...
It doesn't even seem like it was done by the same person.. If you can't tell the difference from an artist thats hungry and one thats just going through the motions, I don't know what to tell you..
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