Lil Wayne is a legit contender for top 10 rapper all-time

[FreshAIG]

1. I'll take talent over popularly anyday.

2. You can't say with at straight face you can bump ''lollipop'' 20 years from now.

3. Seems like you straight on that.

4. Wayne had ghostwriters over his career he BEEN fakin the funk.

5. See #3

6. Now I know you trollin, ESOTSM is better than 99% of Wayne's catalog and that not even up for debate.

1) I don't care what you would take, that wasn't my argument. I listed BIGGEST, you changed it to "who was better" when that wasn't even part of that point
2) Don't be that guy that plays stupid by singling out someone's most commercial songs as some time of evidence of them not having a great catalog. That's elementary debating. I would hope you'd be smarter than that
4) Prove this or it's pointless
6) Man please. Like I said Wayne has 5 good songs for every 1 good song from Jay Elect.

 

[pointproven214]

lyrically has wayne been consistent his whole career imo mos def no he just started getting better as a lyricist on carter 1 at least for me he was and ive been a wayne fan since get it how u live.

 

[B86]

I need to know what yall listen to because lyrically, nobody can stand up to dude and it's not even close. It's rare that I think my opinion is FACT, but in this case aint nobody touching Wayne lyrically and I can make an argument for flow too. His song making ability aint never been top notch but if you talking straight up rapping, he's winning against anybody by a fukkin land slide

 

[pointproven214]

because he is basically just a abc ryhmer freestyler how about you tryy to show me something lyrical like and not lollipop ha

like his rhyme schemes are basic at most and when i say basic i mean in comparison to somebody like mf doom eminem or pac those dudes can rhyme damm near the entire bar or most of it and make sense have complex rhyme schemes while telling a story wayne don't do that wayne alot of his rhymes are just that rhymes but it don't make sense as far as phrasing and lines is concern.

 

[Nostalgic]

1) I don't care what you would take, that wasn't my argument. I listed BIGGEST, you changed it to "who was better" when that wasn't even part of that point
2) Don't be that guy that plays stupid by singling out someone's most commercial songs as some time of evidence of them not having a great catalog. That's elementary debating. I would hope you'd be smarter than that
4) Prove this or it's pointless
6) Man please. Like I said Wayne has 5 good songs for every 1 good song from Jay Elect.

1. I still stand by what I say I never have and never will care about popularity. Give me talent. anyday
(I'm a underground music fan)

2. You yourself know Wayne music has a short shelf life. Don't play yaself

4. There's no shape form or fashion you can be lyrically inclined when you rappin someone else lyrics

6. Show me 5 songs Wayne has made that are more thought provoking and lyrically complex as ''Dimethyltryptamine''

 

[Love Sosa]

The only thing that holds Wayne back is that classic album. Quite a few classic mixtapes but no classic album

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

He peaked around No ceilings & before he got knocked after that it was a gradual downward spiral , but his mixtape/album run starting from Carter 2 /Dedication 2 to his peak is legendary status I ain't really fond of son on a personality level but his impact during that run can't be denied . It's crazy how much he's diminished in terms of relevancy though , anything Wayne was on was a guaranteed chart topper .

 

[CM_Burns]

If you have Wayne top 10 then it's hard to say Drake isn't also top 10.

 

[SirBiatch]

I personally don't have him over most of these guys but honestly, you can make a legit case he's above them as an all-time greater rapper. Not more skillful necessarily (though he is in some cases) but he had a better career then all of them, and arguably released quality material for a longer period of time while maintaining not only relevance but influence at the highest level.

this is the dumbest argument ever.

Weezy has NEVER released a song that's more than, say... 6/10. Especially compared to guys like Nas, Jay-Z, even Prodigy who frequently released 10/10 songs.

So I'm supposed to believe a guy who released 1000x mediocre songs is somehow better than a guy who released 10 incredible tracks?

Cosign mediocrity, brehs.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Biggest rapper in the world at one point? Check
Quality/Great material for at least 5 years? Check
Held up an entire record label by himself for years? Check
Lyrically inclined? Check
Influential? Double Check
Best rapper ever from his city? Check

1 - Yep, but you should also say the game was arguably in its lowest point. The new gen hasn't taken over yet, Jigga was "retired" or coming off retirement, Eminem was nowhere to be found, 50 began to fell off by that point and that era was full of 1-hit wonders and mediocre rappers. Kanye, TIP, Luda, Jeezy and Ross was also big but not as much as Wayne (nh). Plus Wayne was really everywhere.

2 - His run from C1 to C3 and all those mixtapes was crazy, but you have to consider son lived in the booth. A ton of material and great songs, but a lot of doo doo as well. Consistent in output but not in quality IMO. Plus he never had THAT ALBUM like other GOAT contenders.

3 - Agreed. He kept CMR afloat for a while, till they got Drake/Nicki and even Tyga.

4 - When I think of Wayne, "lyrically inclined" doesn't come to mind. He was nice but not GOAT level nice, not to mention the tons of shyt punchlines/lines he's had over the year.

5 - Yes.

6 - Certainly, but not much competition. NO isn't exactly NY, LA or ATL.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Top 10 most popular. yes.

His mixtape run was overrated imo. All he did was flooded the market.

 

[FreshAIG]

this is the dumbest argument ever.

Weezy has NEVER released a song that's more than, say... 6/10. Especially compared to guys like Nas, Jay-Z, even Prodigy who frequently released 10/10 songs.

So I'm supposed to believe a guy who released 1000x mediocre songs is somehow better than a guy who released 10 incredible tracks?

Cosign mediocrity, brehs.

Thinking popularity doesn't matter is dumb.

This is silly. Wayne has lot of great songs over his career. Saying he has no songs over 6/10 either means you never listened to him or you're trolling

 

[SirBiatch]

Thinking popularity doesn't matter is dumb.

Popularity matters only up to a certain point. especially when you're talking "TOP 10"

Be clear: Are you talking Top 10 most popular rappers ever? Then yes, of course you could make an argument for Wayne.

But are you talking about Top 10 most superlative rappers ever? (which is usually what the top 10 is about). Wayne is not even in the top 100.

This is not rocket science.

This is silly. Wayne has lot of great songs over his career. Saying he has no songs over 6/10 either means you never listened to him or you're trolling

Talk is cheap, nikka.

Name ONE song Lil Wayne has that can stand next to Nas, Jay-Z, etc BEST MATERIAL.

Cmon man. Stop fukking around. You're gonna make me not take your subsequent posts seriously.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

If anybody else but u made this thread I woulda got out of pocket but I respect u too much for that u gotta chill tho dad

 

[FreshAIG]

Popularity matters only up to a certain point. especially when you're talking "TOP 10"

Be clear: Are you talking Top 10 most popular rappers ever? Then yes, of course you could make an argument for Wayne.

But are you talking about Top 10 most superlative rappers ever? (which is usually what the top 10 is about). Wayne is not even in the top 100.

This is not rocket science.



Talk is cheap, nikka.

Name ONE song Lil Wayne has that can stand next to Nas, Jay-Z, etc BEST MATERIAL.

Cmon man. Stop fukking around. You're gonna make me not take your subsequent posts seriously.

Please, popularity matters. You can try to deny it all you want, but every nikka in universally debated top 10s have some sort of popularity on a certain scale.

First off this argument is stupid as fukk. What does his best material comparing to Jay and Nas have to do with the cost of sugar in Japan? nikkas just making arguments that don't even make sense.

LOL I'm dying thinking I give a flying fukk how you feel about my subsequent post.

Again, I never said Wayne IS top 10 all time, because he's personally not in mine. He'd be in my top 20 tho. But you can make a legit ARGUMENT for him being in it. I already laid out way.