Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common: ‘I see no way out.’

[Pressure]

it is that simple, you fukkin shill. what are you basing your counter-argument to that statement on do you even have one?

im still waiting for you to explain to me how an influx of low skilled illegal immigrants helps black american citizens. im just trying to understand where you're coming from, because all jokes aside, i really dont get it

This countries wealth distribution and wage stagnation is not a result of people not getting paychecks.

 

[714562]

Unions guarantee more representation than a vacuum with no unions.
Most people know of the union history of bias and racism. Doesn't at all discredit collective bargaining power, and the effect on wages as a whole.

I don't think I said anything at all about "discredit[ing] collective bargaining power." When it works, it works. My point is that even if you believe a work environment with unions generally guarantees more "representation" than one without, you still have to ask who is being "represented." If you don't tangibly benefit from a collective bargaining arrangement, then why bother?

 

[the cac mamba]

This countries wealth distribution and wage stagnation is not a result of people not getting paychecks.

so with all those cards stacked against you/us/citizens already, why shill for an influx of illegal labor that can only hurt your chances

 

[the cac mamba]

This whole fukking thread is about how stagnant wages are, if you're admitting that getting rid of illegal immigrants won't help with that then you're just derailing the thread.

i dont remember who brought it up, but it wasnt me

same question to you; with all these factors stacked against american citizens at the bottom, competing for stagnant wages, why do you want an influx of illegal labor. i know why i don't; i dont know why you do

no one is saying that illegals are bad people

 

[Pressure]

so with all those cards stacked against you/us/citizens already, why shill for an influx of illegal labor that can only hurt your chances

You've rambled so long youve derailed yourself. :Cookoutcam2:

 

[the cac mamba]

You've rambled so long youve derailed yourself. :Cookoutcam2:

another non-answer

 

[Pressure]

another non-answer

You joined this thread arguing that illegal immigrants are the reason for the dissolution of the middle class and not corporate greed and the relaxation of labor Laws.

 

[chico25]

i dont remember who brought it up, but it wasnt me

same question to you; with all these factors stacked against american citizens at the bottom, competing for stagnant wages, why do you want an influx of illegal labor. i know why i don't; i dont know why you do

no one is saying that illegals are bad people

What gives you the impression that I want an influx of illegal immigrants. I'm just not blaming those that come in for taking jobs that are available because greedy businesses are trying to keep wages down. As I said earlier it's the people doing the hiring that are screwing everyone over.

 

[the cac mamba]

You joined this thread arguing that illegal immigrants are the reason for the dissolution of the middle class and not corporate greed and the relaxation of labor Laws.

no i didn't, because that's not true. illegal immigration piles on to problems we already have with corporate greed and relaxed labor laws

i wonder how many times i could ask you 'how does an influx of illegal labor help black citizens' and you would avoid the question and deflect

 

[Reece]

There was room in the chopper.

A chopper paid for by your hard work.

You need to step outside your sphere of influence. You're struggling to see the world as it really is. Worker c00n.

Okay so what happens when the chopper is overrun then How much weight you think that chopper gonna take That chopper is the system being overwhelmed. The scenario doesn’t matter. There’s always some sort of scarcity. At some point there has to be a cut off. You just don’t get it. I swear I would buy you a beginners Economics book because you don’t understand basic principles.

If you’re bringing in millions of desperate hungry people, that creates downward pressure on wage growth as they’re going to be willing to do whatever to eat REGARDLESS of what is flowing to the top. It also strains our social services as they are not paying into the system but going to hospitals, schools, using our entitlement programs. Do you understand this or do you not understand this If CEOs were ordered to be paid $50,000 a year would illegal immigrants willing to work for 30 cents on the dollar hamper wages? Yes or no. If the CEO employee pay ratio went back to 1920s levels but offshoring, automation and illegal immigration stayed the same would that be a boon for wage growth? Yes or no?

Illegal immigration is not the only thing but it is a thing. You have to have some sort of protectionism. This is the same underlying logic as to why African countries have tariffs to protect their domestic businesses from cheap Chinese products, why India won’t let Apple and Amazon set up shop unless they use Indian companies in the process, why China blocks off the West from entering their markets and copies our technology to create their own copycat companies. It’s the same underlying factors driving everything. There’s a finite amount of resources to share and everybody wants to make sure their people get to benefit. You exist in some fantasy land where there’s endless benefits for everybody. At some point the system will get overwhelmed, so you put in plans to combat it. Grow up you naive child.

 

[the cac mamba]

What gives you the impression that I want an influx of illegal immigrants. I'm just not blaming those that com

e in for taking jobs that are available because greedy businesses are trying to keep wages down. As I said earlier it's the people doing the hiring that are screwing everyone over.

so say it "fukk illegal immigration, it doesn't help me, and the democrats are not looking out for citizens by demonizing resistance to illegal immigration"

 

[KingJudah2]

GM Manages To Find $22 Million To Pay CEO As It Closes 5 Plants And Lays Off 15,000 Workers

If dey cant get illegals inside the country they just send the labor to Mexico and China.

 

[Pressure]

no i didn't, because that's not true. illegal immigration piles on to problems we already have with corporate greed and relaxed labor laws

i wonder how many times i could ask you 'how does an influx of illegal labor help black citizens' and you would avoid the question and deflect

It's a strawman I ignore. At no point have I ever argued for relaxed immigration laws or open borders. I've never complained about deportations.

I've consistently said businesses should be held Accountable for hiring illegal immigrants. And removing the incentive for illegal immigrants to come here would go further than a concrete wall or roving deportation forces (increased policing has always been a net negative for blacks).

 

[Pressure]

@the cac mamba you might want to start PMing people to help you out like you did in WOAT voting because you're getting worked in this thread. :HAHAPHIL:

 

[the cac mamba]

It's a strawman I ignore. At no point have I ever argued for relaxed immigration laws or open borders. I've never complained about deportations.

I've consistently said businesses should be held Accountable for hiring illegal immigrants. And removing the incentive for illegal immigrants to come here would go further than a concrete wall or roving deportation forces (increased policing has always been a net negative for blacks).

same so i guess we don't really disagree