Living wage advocates, how are restaruant owners supposed to deal with being squeezed like this?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Because he's risking his life and doing a job nobody else wants to do?

There is no life risk to throwing cans in the back of a truck and no one wants to work in fast food.

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[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I can think of several and give you an anecdotal. My grandparents for instance were able to have private healthcare, pensions, and annuities that otherwise could have potentially ruined them if they were reliant on medicare and social security.
Workers need more protection, more power, more rights and not less. You'd think America were a third world country the standards you want to layout for it's workers. Wake up.

What standards are you talking about? You talk about your grandparents.... when have minimum wage workers ever had private healthcare or pensions?

Also you brought up the NYPD, what do you think would have happened to our first responders if it wasn't for unions after 9/11?

Probably the same thing that would have happened.... lawyers would have been all too happy to file a civil suit and take a percentage of the claims, just as they do for any group with a legit legal claim

A lot of pensions are underfunded because hedge funds, wall street, sec, congress and etc f'cked everyone over.

And a lot of pensions fail because people hand their money over to people who have no idea what they're doing

 

[88m3]

If Social Security Had Been In Private Accounts The Stock Market Drop Could Have Been A Disaster

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

There is no life risk to throwing cans in the back of a truck and no one wants to work in fast food.

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America's most dangerous jobs - Sanitation worker (8) - CNNMoney


And I bet more people want to work fast food than in sanitation.... that's all that matters in this comparison.

 

[tmonster]

Why does the guy who throws garbage cans into the back of the truck make a livable wage while the guy taking your order at a fast food restaurant can't even afford to eat there?

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........................well someone answer him!

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

If Social Security Had Been In Private Accounts The Stock Market Drop Could Have Been A Disaster

Good thing there are other places to invest besides the stock market. ESPECIALLY for older people, who shouldn't be as exposed to such a volatile investment vehicle

*ctrl-F's "bonds"*
"No results found"

 

[tmonster]

My grandparents for instance were able to have private healthcare, pensions, and annuities that otherwise could have potentially ruined them if they were reliant on medicare and social security.

but they each had 2 PhDs and several honorary degrees though right?

 

[88m3]

What standards are you talking about? You talk about your grandparents.... when have minimum wage workers ever had private healthcare or pensions?


Probably the same thing that would have happened.... lawyers would have been all too happy to file a civil suit and take a percentage of the claims, just as they do for any group with a legit legal claim


And a lot of pensions fail because people hand their money over to people who have no idea what they're doing

My grandmother was a secretary, one grandfather was in the navy and then a postmen among other things, another was in the army and then an electrical engineer among other things. Blue collar, minimum wage jobs just like me. I don't have a golden parachute as guys like you like to say. Why don't I? Has the economy gotten worse in the US since between 1930-2000? What is there to justify the egregious erosion of benefits and protections for workers? Shouldn't they increase as our country and businesses gain in success?




Who would they have sued? Iran?





blah blah blah

 

[Broke Wave]

@Broke Wave would be like "lets melt the icecaps and put all of the US underwater.... that way we will never have any more forest fires" :scumbag:

See how stupid this game is?

No whats stupid is acknowledgin that yes, 7.25 is a cruel and inhuman wage, yet your solution being lets leave it there and not raise it, and instead focus on preventing people from falling into minimum wage jobs

 

[Malta]

America's most dangerous jobs - Sanitation worker (8) - CNNMoney


And I bet more people want to work fast food than in sanitation.... that's all that matters in this comparison.

Bruh, Sanitation is one of the most sought after jobs in NYC, with a waiting list that is like 10 years deep.

 

[DEAD7]

sometimes I wonder if they are indeed "people"
I've said too much

 

[88m3]

but they each had 2 PhDs and several honorary degrees though right?

This was pre certs and 600's. I'd say they were typical people from that age, they were educated relative to their time period, age, and sex.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

And I bet more people want to work fast food than in sanitation.... that's all that matters in this comparison.

I don't think so.....​

An estimated 28,000 teens in fast food jobs are rushed to the ER each year with job-related injuries​

Collecting data from a sample of hospitals across the country over a two-year period, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) estimated that emergency rooms treated about 44,800 injuries suffered by teenage restaurant workers. Of those injuries, an estimated 28,000 -- a whopping 63 percent -- took place in hamburger, pizza, or other fast-food establishments. Interestingly, most of the injuries occurred in hamburger restaurants (52.6 percent), as compared to pizza places (12.6 percent) and chicken or fish restaurants (11.7 percent).

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Fast-food employees also need to be aware of the ever-present potential for robberies or random violence in their establishments. Five employees of a Wendy's in Queens, New York, for example, were shot to death in early 2000.

So, why would someone want to work for less than a living wage and be 30+ times more likely to end-up hurt/dead than someone who throws cans into the back of a garbage truck?
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[TLR Is Mental Poison]

No whats stupid is acknowledgin that yes, 7.25 is a cruel and inhuman wage, yet your solution being lets leave it there and not raise it, and instead focus on preventing people from falling into minimum wage jobs

I have never said $7.25 is a cruel and inhuman wage You can own a home down here on that kind of income.

And yes, getting as many people off and as far above MW as possible is a much better idea than raising MW. Raising MW does jack shyt to ensure those people's job security and general level of empowerment. Having a job that isn't an economic condition away from automation or outsourcing is a big source of economic security which goes a long way.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't think so.....​

So, why would someone want to work for less than a living wage and be 30+ times more likely to end-up hurt and unable to pay for medical treatment?
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Bzzzt, the existence of fast food injuries doesn't mean they are higher than those of garbage workers.

Garbage workers have injury rates 2x higher than fast food workers

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/os/ostb3966.pdf

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