Rakim Allah
Superstar
In 87 they were about the same. Neither was anywhere closed to Ra in 87.
In 85 LL was more advanced then himself or KRS was in 87. He streamlined his lyrics on BAD.
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LL Cool J vs. KRS-One
- Thread starter Wacky D
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In 87 they were about the same. Neither was anywhere closed to Ra in 87.
In 85 LL was more advanced then himself or KRS was in 87. He streamlined his lyrics on BAD.
Rakim Allah
Superstar
Naw Ra was!! KRS didn't have them bars like Ra/Kane/Kool G or even LL and Moe Dee had until he went solo in 93.
He was more lyrical than a Chuck D or Ice T and right below LL because L would get lazy with the rhyme. But he was not seein Ra/Kane/G Rap when it came to bars.
shyt by 89 Chill Rob G and Special Ed were more lyrical. Just because KRS wasn't as lyrical as others that didn't necessarily make them better EMCEEs.
KRS was a great EMCEE in the late 80s he just wasn't as advanced lyrically as some other EMCEEs were in the late 80s.
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FunkyFreshRhyme
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In their Primes, it's a real tough call. No time to type an essay right now, but while Early LL was a Monster, I think 
takes it.
Great thread, folks. Thanks for everyone who's dropping youtubes, got me jammin over here.
takes it. Great thread, folks. Thanks for everyone who's dropping youtubes, got me jammin over here.
Rakim Allah
Superstar
was that supposed to be an example of an advanced style
KRS in 86
Boogie Down Productions - South Bronx (1986) - YouTube
Yep and it was more advanced than anything on Criminal Minded or BAD.
KRS was using a different type of cadence than the old school archetype that LL was using on his first two albums. That doesn't make KRS's bars more advanced.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
KRS didn't have them bars like Ra/Kane/Kool G or even LL and Moe Dee had until he went solo in 93.
He was more lyrical than a Chuck D or Ice T and right below LL because L would get lazy with the rhyme. But he was not seein Ra/Kane/G Rap when it came to bars.
shyt by 89 Chill Rob G and Special Ed were more lyrical. Just because KRS wasn't as lyrical as others that didn't necessarily make them better EMCEEs.
KRS was a great EMCEE in the late 80s he just wasn't as advanced lyrically as some other EMCEEs were in the late 80s.
actually silver fox technical, battle and skilled cadence were overlooked.
from,the mainstream monopoly of sugarhill.
so the idea ra was the only technical marvel of emcee'n was not true.
especially since caz and melle mel were overlooked in the segueway of old school to newschool way of thought.
yet,..now we are in an all school era. the skills of those whom were overlooked in the destruction of the oldschoolway of thought.
for the newschool way of thought..have to be resurveyed amd acknowledged.
in the old school being phased out culturally. as it eliminated the cultural connection of hiphop to the businesses of the pillars.
yet, originally caz, melle, moe dee, and fox had skilled rubrck which were ignored by newschool aficionado's.
so ra became the herald of the newschool technical prowess.
after, krs singlehanddily created the classic album rubrick of emcee'n for the newschool way of thought to follow.
also,..on the style you haven't tried yet. krs elongates the technical syllable rubrick once again. as he had done on criminal minded, and on bamn.
krs is not properly credited for either. as his draw was being attacked by non-culturally accepted media outlets. for his brash culturally driven stop the violence mantra and atttention to real education movement.
also,..krs incorporated more styles and range.
similiar to the best of all the rappers from the true pan of the culture in the bx.
while ra only mastered his technical skillbase, of queens.
while also,..not spearheading any actual cultural movement to aid the actual culture past emcee'n.
evident by having to wait to ghetto.
to get a fully focused rakim record made purposefully as a gateesy submission, content wise.
which was years after stop the violence, and the original blueprint.
whereas krs elongated his more street content based draw to include educating, through more versatile focused content.
also,..how dare you mention chill rob g,..the hiphouse rakim biter.
like nikka get serious,...i already told you to get a newhandle. after even mentioning chill rob,...you need a new username.
also,..special ed did not have a different ranges of styles or vocal tonality and convincability that krs had.
plus he never sustained his skillbase by actual technical application.
illustrated by when, he later cameback,..whereas krs at the same time made a selftitled classic, named krs one.
kill that bullshyt and get a new handle....
no facts culturally or skillwise in history, support what you talking about....
art barr
the rhyme king
truth.com
KRS didn't have them bars like Ra/Kane/Kool G or even LL and Moe Dee had until he went solo in 93.
He was more lyrical than a Chuck D or Ice T and right below LL because L would get lazy with the rhyme. But he was not seein Ra/Kane/G Rap when it came to bars.
shyt by 89 Chill Rob G and Special Ed were more lyrical. Just because KRS wasn't as lyrical as others that didn't necessarily make them better EMCEEs.
KRS was a great EMCEE in the late 80s he just wasn't as advanced lyrically as some other EMCEEs were in the late 80s.
kool g rap was ahead of his time actually he was the first to rhyme whole sentences
Pool_Shark
Can’t move with me in this digital space
Don't wanna say one is better than the other, but I enjoy LLs albums more than KRS. Bumping LL while exercising is 
Rakim Allah
Superstar
Never said Ra was...U had KRS has the inventor of the slow flow and the most advance EMCEE ever which are both untrue. Ra has more claim to both those statements than KRS.
There are plenty of technical great EMCEEs b4 Ra, like U mentioned Fox/Mel and Caz as well as Moe Dee, T La Rock, MC Ricky D, LL, Sha Rock and others.
Also Scott La Rock was KRS's mentor. Don't get stabbed through the heart with table...leg
Rakim Allah
Superstar
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
THE STYLE YOU HAVEN'T TRIED YET
which was a focused blueprint/rubrick on elongated syllable rhyming and style'y.
i comparison to ll's it gets not rougher.
which is not as focused.
nor does it illustrate krs's ability to carry production.
as it gets no rougher, and fast peg show evolution for ll.
yet, in comparison to krs and his evolved content and evolved style flipping on blueprint.
ll was not and never at that level of emcee'n.
ll has the best pop mainstream acceptable skilbase in the history of rap.
yet in the overall scope of emcee'n,...krs is the goat.
as he spearheaded or created the rubrick upon which all quality recordings in rap will be judged, in the entire history of rap.
as all large selling culturally credible rap albums that created mainstream alternative genre's and success.
all follow criminal minded, or another subsequent release in krs's discography as an alternative.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
yes,...krs's skillset shows a higher skill level.
as no one in general was brave enough before krs.
to try to be more than the nighthawk radio smooth vocals of melle mel.
evident by ll still not completing his skill evolution.
until he mastered this vocal tone on pink cookies.
then, recording an entire album to distance him from the rest of the pack of emcees of that vein on mr smith.
whereas krs has created an original style.
not made on or built on nighthawk radio smooth personality vocal tones.
art barr
Scotch Hall
All Star
I'm going with
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Never said Ra was...U had KRS has the inventor of the slow flow and the most advance EMCEE ever which are both untrue. Ra has more claim to both those statements than KRS.
There are plenty of technical great EMCEEs b4 Ra, like U mentioned Fox/Mel and Caz as well as Moe Dee, T La Rock, MC Ricky D, LL, Sha Rock and others.
Also Scott La Rock was KRS's mentor. Don't get stabbed through the heart with table...leg
scott was not a world class battle tested emcee.
he was the director of the homeless group shelter.
whom had a kindred with krs. scott larock was not an emcee thst krs knew to study.
like ll originally sought out moe dee to do.
then met fox after moe dee clowned him at a studio sessio .
where he made him wait for hours and tried to crush ll's young spirit as a kid.
which was despicable,...
if you listen to krs, or even the interview of his brother.
that no known emcee helped in krs's past is clearly illustrated in krs's history.
krs never had a skilled known emcee as a mentor.
on silver fox's level...
as silver fox was queen's most known emcee legend from a street aesthetic.
plus, g rap was also in the fold as a contemporary, of ll.
krs has no contemporary or mentorship of those skills level in history.
so kill all that scot la rock mentored him. scot was not an emcee and was not known at all in any capacity like silver fox. or g rap were in his earlier teen hustler days.
art barr