Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[spliz]

Managing an artist isn't the same as them being Ruff Ryders in the sense that they were in '99. They would've been no need to get off Bad Boy if they were already Ruff Ryders and it would've been a smoother transition. By the time Ruff Ryders was founded, The Lox and Mase were already established Bad Boy artists.

Mase was never a Ruff Ryder. He was always Bad Boy and even when he went to start All Out, it was via JD's So So Def and not Ruff Ryders. All of Mase's albums came out on Bad Boy. He appeared on Ruff Ryders comps and X's album, but he was no more a Ruff Ryder than JD or Jay Z.

Ruff Ryders still piggy backed off the success of Bad Boy.

No. Mase and Lox were running WITH DMX and recording at Ruff Ryders studio before any of them signed a deal. Ruff Ryders didn’t have all their business together and was shopping nikkas around. Puff took the Warlox and made em The Lox and took Murda Mase and made him Mase. He passed on DMX. Then DMX got hot and Puff came back and wanted X but X decided to stick wit Def Jam. Like I said fam this is facts explained by X, Mase, and Dee and Wah. Etc. I’m not making this shyt up fam. Mase was running with Ruff Ryders fam.

 

[mortuus est]

No. Mase and Lox were running WITH DMX and recording at Ruff Ryders studio before any of them signed a deal. Ruff Ryders didn’t have all their business together and was shopping nikkas around. Puff took the Warlox and made em The Lox and took Murda Mase and made him Mase. He passed on DMX. Then DMX got hot and Puff came back and wanted X but X decided to stick wit Def Jam. Like I said fam this is facts explained by X, Mase, and Dee and Wah. Etc. I’m not making this shyt up fam. Mase was running with Ruff Ryders fam.

i get what youre saying fam but no one sees mase as a ruff ryder

 

[Zero]

It was by no means as big but nyggas was bumpin THIS IS FOR MY DOGS hard as hell. That beat is sinister as hell....

..in fact im about to throw that on my winter playlist

Swear to God, I heard somebody bumping that song hard as hell last night on my way from Walmart

 

[Ronnie Lott]

by the time he dropped he 4th album. he was about to turn 31 with 3 albums and a couple more albums worth of guest appearances, and a gang of underground material.

show me another rapper who continued to put out timeless-esque music at that point of their careers after such a high peak.

don't give me any mid-card drifters that never dropped any consensus classic LPs and/or were never main eventers.

the only example we have is jay-z from '96-04, but he had to shark & play politics to accomplish that.





"X gonna give it to ya" was bigger than all of those.

Pac
Hov
Fab

 

[spliz]

i get what youre saying fam but no one sees mase as a ruff ryder

I’m not talking about what anyone sees Mase as. I’m talking about what Mase was before BadBoy. It’s the reason DMX had his breakout verse on Mase album. And then The Lox album. And then it’s why The Lox and Mase are the only outside features on X first album. And also why Mase is on Ryde or Die Vol.1. Mase ended up retiring early on Bad Boy. But the nikka was running with Ruff Ryders.

 

[BaRRyG]

I'm gonna leave singles alone.















If you think otherwise then...

Grand champ intro, is one of the greatest intro in the rap game ever. He blacked on that shyt and did it so smoothly. X was that nikka at one point.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

And then it’s why The Lox and Mase are the only outside features on X first album

Faith Evans
Drag-on + kasino + big Stan

 

[JustCKing]

No. Mase and Lox were running WITH DMX and recording at Ruff Ryders studio before any of them signed a deal. Ruff Ryders didn’t have all their business together and was shopping nikkas around. Puff took the Warlox and made em The Lox and took Murda Mase and made him Mase. He passed on DMX. Then DMX got hot and Puff came back and wanted X but X decided to stick wit Def Jam. Like I said fam this is facts explained by X, Mase, and Dee and Wah. Etc. I’m not making this shyt up fam. Mase was running with Ruff Ryders fam.

I get what you're saying, but running with a crew doesn't mean they were Ruff Ryders' artists. That's true of any crew in Hip Hop. There's a lot of artists that were running around with and doing songs with crews while they were signed with other artists. Mase and The Lox were Bad Boy artists in every way. They weren't out here shouting Ruff Ryders, wearing the gear, or rocking the charms. When you saw The Lox and Mase, they were talking about Bad Boy ("Bad Boys and we all eat together"), rocking shiny suits, rocking the baseball gear etc. Puff was all over their albums. There guys running around with and doing songs with Muder Inc. artists to the point of even have Irv produce their records, but they weren't Muder Inc. artists.

Murda Mase when he was with Children of the Corn wasn't a Ruff Ryder.

 

[OHSNAP!]

I'd rather listen to Great Depression and Grand Champ than FOMFBOMB and ATTWX

His debut album is X's only classic, pretty much general consensus everywhere

Most of that Swizz stuff aged horribly

Trina Moe, Who We Be, I Miss U, A Minute For Your Son Great Depression is way overlooked

 

[OHSNAP!]

This.


I'm seeing a lot of bizarre posts like Silkk, Mystikal, Master P, Busta Rhymes and others were on par with DMX on 1998. None of them were. Only artists on par with DMX in 1998 were Jay Z and Lauryn Hill. The three of them were clearly on a different level than everybody else in terms of popularity and acclaim. Then you had Puff and Mase still going strong from '97. "Lookin' At Me" and 24 Hrs. To Live" were still makong their rounds well into the summer. Puff's "Victory" and the "Been Aroind The World" remix were still hot.

MP and Jay Z were on the same level in 98. You trippin' bruh. P was EVERYWHERE and made incredible amounts of dinero off it. X was SLIGHTLY above them in terms of popularity, Lauryn was more of a pop star anyway, she was huge indeed

 

[JustCKing]

MP and Jay Z were on the same level in 98. You trippin' bruh. P was EVERYWHERE and made incredible amounts of dinero off it. X was SLIGHTLY above them in terms of popularity, Lauryn was more of a pop star anyway, she was huge indeed

Nah, I can't put P on the level of Jay in 1998. Master P was huge and I was definitely a fan of his '98, but most of his output in '98 was due to No Limit releasing like 30 albums that year. I hated hearing the Annie sample and I thought it was cool track at first, but it got old quick after it got played nearly every hour. Then there was "Can I Get A..." and "Money Ain't A Thang". I also remember hearing "It's Alright". Then the year closed with "Money, Cash, Hoes" and the remix in regard to Jay. With X, he was the new "it" artist. He was on Cube's remix to "We Be Clubbin", The Lox's "Money, Power, Respect", JD had him on his album. He was on Jay's album.

Nah, Lauryn Hill crossed over into the Pop star lane, but "Lost Ones" was huge and "Doo Wop" was a song that was inescapable. While she had the crossover appeal, she also had the bars and huge impact on Hip Hop that year which was bigger than the crossover success.

 

[spliz]

Faith Evans
Drag-on + kasino + big Stan

Faith is only on the radio version of How’s It Goin Down. And the other artists are all on Ruff Ryders. Think about it bro. Lol

 

[spliz]

I get what you're saying, but running with a crew doesn't mean they were Ruff Ryders' artists. That's true of any crew in Hip Hop. There's a lot of artists that were running around with and doing songs with crews while they were signed with other artists. Mase and The Lox were Bad Boy artists in every way. They weren't out here shouting Ruff Ryders, wearing the gear, or rocking the charms. When you saw The Lox and Mase, they were talking about Bad Boy ("Bad Boys and we all eat together"), rocking shiny suits, rocking the baseball gear etc. Puff was all over their albums. There guys running around with and doing songs with Muder Inc. artists to the point of even have Irv produce their records, but they weren't Muder Inc. artists.

Murda Mase when he was with Children of the Corn wasn't a Ruff Ryder.

Bro. The Lox were in the Ruff Ryders camp. THEY THEMSELVES will tell u this. I’m not gonna argue facts wit u bro. Lol. The Lox and Mase were on the Ruff Ryders camp. Ruff Ryders wasn’t a label yet. They got signed to Bad Boy and DMX went with Def Jam. When the business got right everything came full circle. This is a fact fam. It was spoken on by all parties involved. U don’t have to believe me. Lol

 

[OHSNAP!]

Nah, I can't put P on the level of Jay in 1998. Master P was huge and I was definitely a fan of his '98, but most of his output in '98 was due to No Limit releasing like 30 albums that year. I hated hearing the Annie sample and I thought it was cool track at first, but it got old quick after it got played nearly every hour. Then there was "Can I Get A..." and "Money Ain't A Thang". I also remember hearing "It's Alright". Then the year closed with "Money, Cash, Hoes" and the remix in regard to Jay. With X, he was the new "it" artist. He was on Cube's remix to "We Be Clubbin", The Lox's "Money, Power, Respect", JD had him on his album. He was on Jay's album.

Nah, Lauryn Hill crossed over into the Pop star lane, but "Lost Ones" was huge and "Doo Wop" was a song that was inescapable. While she had the crossover appeal, she also had the bars and huge impact on Hip Hop that year which was bigger than the crossover success.

P was on Let's Ride (nr 1 on Billboard Hot 100 songs), South Park Chef's Aid (when SP was a MASSIVE deal), featured on Ice Cube's You Know I'm A Hoe, Make Em Say Uhh and I Got The Hook-Up were smashes that got play on MTV, he was performing on the MTV Music Awards with newly signed Snoop Dogg, made The Source cover twice that year etc etc

 

[JustCKing]

Bro. The Lox were in the Ruff Ryders camp. THEY THEMSELVES will tell u this. I’m not gonna argue facts wit u bro. Lol. The Lox and Mase were on the Ruff Ryders camp. Ruff Ryders wasn’t a label yet. They got signed to Bad Boy and DMX went with Def Jam. When the business got right everything came full circle. This is a fact fam. It was spoken on by all parties involved. U don’t have to believe me. Lol

I know The Lox was a part of the Ruff Ryders, but it was later. Mase was never a Ruff Ryder. That one I need to see proof on. Mase never even was a Ruff Ryder once it became a full fledged imprint on Interscope.