Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY
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bigbadbossup2012
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i didnt point it out in the post?
spliz
SplizThaDon
I don’t agree wit the statement “riding coattails” cause it’s not as simple as that. Ruff Ryders was a crew and management company. Mase and Lox got signed to Bad Boy. Mase happened to blow up. That’s fine. But X got on Mase album based on them already being cool on some crew shyt. Which is why 24 Hours to Live contained all of them nikkas aside from Black Rob. But X had other poppin features aside from that. The 4321 feature came right after and we all know how much attention that song got and it wasn’t just cause of X. It’s sparked the whole Canibus vs LL thing. The Lox damn near whole album was done by Ruff Ryders in house production. 2 of their 3 singles was produced by Dame Grease. They had X on one of their Singles. In the meantime X is making his rounds in the industry and is poppin. Hoppin on nikkas lead singles and remixes and Get At Me Dog released as well. Which features Sheek from The Lox. X The Lox, and Mase have another reunion on IDAHIH. So The Lox is featured on X’s debut album twice. And it’s all cause they was tight already before the deals. No. The Lox wasn’t screaming Ruff Ryders everywhere left n right. But neither was X until Ruff Ryders Anthem came and u got the album and heard him saying it thruout. But them nikkas definitely repped the crew with all the moves that was being made. From the beats to the features and the single choices. Mase to a lesser extent than The Lox. But he still made sure them nikkas was on his album and he was on theirs.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
tha block is hot(single) was a huge deal. it wasn't just some okay hit. the problem was his album was just okay. and he himself was just okay. only goofs thought that wayne was gonna take over anything with that album. he was the weakest in the crew. he blew up later down the road when mainstream rap got corny. I see what youre tryna do, but its just not a good comparison.
1. why are you listing all these ancient albums??
by this logic, I guess public enemy was the hottest group of 1998?? I mean, since we're going by material that the artists released many moons ago, right??
2/3. and when would you say that RR Anthem hit? lets get that in the clear. making sure we're on the same page.
4. reasonable doubt was two years old and part of a previous era altogether. the focus was on the more recent album.
it looks like youre applying modern-day logic, where rappers drop dud after dud, but stay afloat because of their celebrity, and hot albums that they dropped a decade or so ago. back then, it was more about "what have you done for me lately".
6. we're talking hip-hop. not R&B. that's why I specifically asked you to name some rappers. not r&b singers.
and for the record, Aaliyah was already a star under r.kelly back when timbaland was getting smacked around by Devante.
missy was already buzzin with her crowd off of writing & appearing on r&b records, before people even knew a timbaland. and with that said, missy registers moreso as an r&b star. shoot, the album you name-dropped had more r&b singles than rap singles.
that leaves you with timbaland & magoo.
he had easy money with ms jade & bubba, and he fumbled both of them.
7. you didn't comprehend what I said at all. how am I downplaying snoop & jay but giving credit to meth? lol.
8. see # 2 & 3
9. yea he was. you were just late.
the point is, you were claiming that they didn't rep ruff ryders until later.
of course theyre not gonna push a ton of ruff ryders product on puff's dime. lol.
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Well, they did ride the coat tails. It would be different if Mase and The Lox were recording under Ruff Ryders. They weren't recording artists for Ruff Ryders. They may have ran with them and were managed by them, but there's a huge difference. Puff got them poppin'. Mase didn't just happen to blow up. Dude was a legit star up until he retired. In terms of X's buzz, I made it a point to say Bad Boy was "partially" responsible as I'm fully aware he had other features besides the ones on Bad Boy. Anything that happened before the deals is irrelevant because Ruff Ryders isn't the reason why the world knows who Mase is. Ruff Ryders didn't introduce the world to The Lox. Their logo don't appear on the back of the albums. Ruff Ryders didn't executive produce those albums.
Unless, we're counting Young Lord as in-house Ruff Ryder producer, Ruff Ryders only had their hand in 6 of the 17-18 songs on Money, Power, Respect. And even then, The Hitmen co-produced or produced every song on the album except like 7.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Nonsense,Tha block is Hot is NOT a huge single. It was aight.tha block is hot(single) was a huge deal. it wasn't just some okay hit. the problem was his album was just okay. and he himself was just okay. only goofs thought that wayne was gonna take over anything with that album. he was the weakest in the crew. he blew up later down the road when mainstream rap got corny. I see what youre tryna do, but its just not a good comparison.
1. why are you listing all these ancient albums??
by this logic, I guess public enemy was the hottest group of 1998?? I mean, since we're going by material that the artists released many moons ago, right??
2/3. and when would you say that RR Anthem hit? lets get that in the clear. making sure we're on the same page.
4. reasonable doubt was two years old and part of a previous era altogether. the focus was on the more recent album.
it looks like youre applying modern-day logic, where rappers drop dud after dud, but stay afloat because of their celebrity, and hot albums that they dropped a decade or so ago. back then, it was more about "what have you done for me lately".
6. we're talking hip-hop. not R&B. that's why I specifically asked you to name some rappers. not r&b singers.
and for the record, Aaliyah was already a star under r.kelly back when timbaland was getting smacked around by Devante.
missy was already buzzin with her crowd off of writing & appearing on r&b records, before people even knew a timbaland. and with that said, missy registers moreso as an r&b star. shoot, the album you name-dropped had more r&b singles than rap singles.
that leaves you with timbaland & magoo.
he had easy money with ms jade & bubba, and he fumbled both of them.
7. you didn't comprehend what I said at all. how am I downplaying snoop & jay but giving credit to meth? lol.
8. see # 2 & 3
9. yea he was. you were just late.
10.the point is, you were claiming that they didn't rep ruff ryders until later.
of course theyre not gonna push a ton of ruff ryders product on puff's dime. lol.
1.If you really gonna got at my statement,make it equal. P.E. in 1998 is nothing like snoop in 1998,if you're a real hiphop historian,you can do alot better than this. Going into 1998 P.E. hadnt dropped or participated in anything hot since 1991.
That's nothing like what i outlined with snoop time wise " you're talking a guy who played a major role in 5 classics
Chronic,doggystyle,above the rim,murder was the case,dogg food and headed a dynasty that fell only a year and a half prior."
2/3. Going off memory i'd say it start really hitting around summer
4.More nonsense,why are you comparing jay'z classic from two years prior,vol1 1,some notable features to "hot albums a decade before"
Like i said referring to snoop/P.E.,IF YOU FEEL that strong in your rebuttal,why the wayout comparisons that make no sense.? Why not use something with an equal timeline,is it that hard?
6. Everyone knows Tim is more R&B than hiphop. That's a given. Despite that,he has more hits in hiphop than dame grease. That says alot. Dame's only noteworthy project (one he touched the majority of) needed a classic by another nikka,to mean something and most of his best productions ON THAT ALBUM were co produced with pk. Beat for beat he aint seeing tim at all. Project for project either. Regardless of genre.
7.You acted as if jay and snoop's moments were too far gone to mean anything going into 1998, Then acted like method's moments leading into 1998 meant everything.
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9. I wasn't late at all.
10. No shyt,they didnt rep RR cause rr wasnt shyt,meant nothing till dmx made it mean something. Your comment just reaffirms my stance
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
youre unintentionally proving my point.
hes a commercial radio producer. he couldn't anchor a meaningful album or boost a meaningful rapper to save his life.
and that list is weak.
lol @ timbaland having more noteworthy work in hip-hop than swizz beatz.
prime example: look at what swizz did for eve........meanwhile timbaland had ms jade who was eve on steroids, and he ruined her. smh. could you imagine if ms jade came out with say, state property?? she wouldn't even need a just blaze. you could have chad Hamilton do her album, and she'd be a rap legend right now.
I don't know why theres certain guys that remain quarantined from the most obvious of criticism. but timbaland is certainly one of them.
well if you insist on classifying TBIH single as being just aight, then be my guest. I don't care for lil wayne.
1A.) PE had a #1 rap single in '92. the same year as a lot of the stuff youre listing for snoop.
1B) a year and a half was a LONG ASS TIME for music back then. especially if the last thing you dropped at that point was a str8 dud. lol. and if you want another example of someone dead in the water during that timeframe, look no further than snoopy's doctor.
2/3. IDAHIH was already ruling hip-hop at that point.
4. I don't know what else you want from me. the general reception for volume one was that of a huge letdown. he still had his fair share of joints on there, plus "streets is watching" so he stayed afloat but he wasn't in contention for anything at the time.
6. which goes back to my main point that jumped this whole argument off, which you apparently didn't comprehend.
7. no I didn't. I don't even know how you came to this conclusion.
I don't even rock with method man like that.9. yea you were breh
10. they were reppin RR in DMX first mainstream video homie.
they didn't rep it in bad boy videos, because they were bad boy videos. and even then, DMX, or someone from ruff ryders still had a presence in their stuff.
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Swizz Beatz is not noteworthy as Tim in Hip Hop. Simply put, Swizz is the only producer to havr one of his tracks axed from an album AFTER it came out and I'm referring to Braveheart Party. Yeah, a certian sector if Nas fans don't like "You Owe Me", but a lot of people do and Nas still performs that song as opposed to "Summer On Smash" or any of the other Swizz joints. Tim has more classics and the only noteworthy offering Swizz has helmed is the first RR Compilation. When he helmed We Are The Streets, he got upstaged by Timbaland and Premo who only had one song a piece.
I say this as someone who has defended Swizz's legacy on numerous occassions and as someone who had Swizz as favorite in the late 90's/early 00's.
I say this as someone who has defended Swizz's legacy on numerous occassions and as someone who had Swizz as favorite in the late 90's/early 00's.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
1. nikka so what. They did nothing between what you're talking about and 98',my ppoint remainsyoure unintentionally proving my point.
hes a commercial radio producer. he couldn't anchor a meaningful album or boost a meaningful rapper to save his life.
and that list is weak.
lol @ timbaland having more noteworthy work in hip-hop than swizz beatz.
prime example: look at what swizz did for eve........meanwhile timbaland had ms jade who was eve on steroids, and he ruined her. smh. could you imagine if ms jade came out with say, state property?? she wouldn't even need a just blaze. you could have chad Hamilton do her album, and she'd be a rap legend right now.
I don't know why theres certain guys that remain quarantined from the most obvious of criticism. but timbaland is certainly one of them.
well if you insist on classifying TBIH single as being just aight, then be my guest. I don't care for lil wayne.
1A.) PE had a #1 rap single in '92. the same year as a lot of the stuff youre listing for snoop.
1B) a year and a half was a LONG ASS TIME for music back then. especially if the last thing you dropped at that point was a str8 dud. lol. and if you want another example of someone dead in the water during that timeframe, look no further than snoopy's doctor.
2/3. IDAHIH was already ruling hip-hop at that point.
4. I don't know what else you want from me. the general reception for volume one was that of a huge letdown. he still had his fair share of joints on there, plus "streets is watching" so he stayed afloat but he wasn't in contention for anything at the time.
6. which goes back to my main point that jumped this whole argument off, which you apparently didn't comprehend.
7. no I didn't. I don't even know how you came to this conclusion.
9. yea you were breh
10. they were reppin RR in DMX first mainstream video homie.
they didn't rep it in bad boy videos, because they were bad boy videos. and even then, DMX, or someone from ruff ryders still had a presence in their stuff.
2/3 lmao
4.I'm aware of the hate toward vol 1. Despite this,he was stronger than x prior to rr anthem
6.You laughed that i dissed dame while bigging up tim whom was not heavy on hiphop. My point is tim is a better producer and means more to hiphop than dame despite that not being his prime focus.
7.You acted as if too much time went pass for jay's or snoop's prior accomplishments to mean anything going into 1998,meanwhile you gave credit to method man's prior work for his 98' buzz
9. Naw
10.That only reaffirms what i said. RR wasnt repped till dmx came through and made "the pups" feel safe. Other dude kept claiming they had been RR before that. I'm aware they were managed by. But no one was repping till X showed up. They were shiny suit minions before that.
That swizz beatz/Ruff Ryder production has aged worst than a white bytch 
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
youre completely ignoring everything I said and just repeaing yourself.
swizz made stars and boosted stars. what did timbaland do outside of making hit records, which swizz does also?
lol @ ryde or die vol 1 being the only noteworthy album that swizz helmed. and even if that were true, one beats none.
the only people who think swizz got upstaged on the lox album by timbo & premo, are people who aren't the target audience for a lox album.
and lol @ that timbaland song upstaging anything. it was commercial garbage.
1. yes they did actually. and its a silly point. i can see that youre one of those 'stuck in the past' types. which makes a world of sense now, as it explains why you were so late to the table on DMX. you were too busy listening to old chit from '94, rockin old sonics & magic jerseys.
4. obviously youre not aware of something.
6. well timbaland is a super mainstream radio producer. hes gonna "mean more" to the masses than 95% of producers just off GP. but that's not something to hang your hat on in a serious discussion.
7. no, that's just the way you took it. I wouldn't even say tical 2000 had buzz like that. he was just in a better space. being the frontman for wutang, who have a rabid die-hard audience and were coming off of their highest-selling release. as opposed to jay dropping the ball, and snoop coming off of the biggest slump album in rap history.
10. or maybe ruff ryders just wasn't repped until it became an actual label? how about them apples?
DMX was already established as was The Lox. Eve is yhe only legit star that Swizz broke and even that one is a reach because he only helmed one of her albums and she got bigger with other producers.
Tim has a couple of noteworthy Hip Hop projects to his name to Swizz's one.
We Are The Streets was the beginning of Swizz running his sound into the ground. He got upstaged. "Recognize" and "Ryde or Die Chick" is what ultimately became what that album is remembered for. It also didn't help matters when Ruff Ryders went with a Timbaland produced record as the lead for the third RR comp.
Tim has a couple of noteworthy Hip Hop projects to his name to Swizz's one.
We Are The Streets was the beginning of Swizz running his sound into the ground. He got upstaged. "Recognize" and "Ryde or Die Chick" is what ultimately became what that album is remembered for. It also didn't help matters when Ruff Ryders went with a Timbaland produced record as the lead for the third RR comp.
That swizz beatz/Ruff Ryder production has aged worst than a white bytch
I like Swizz, but it got to the point where Ruff Ryders benched Swizz in favor of Tim on RR3 when they dropped "They Ain't Ready". Crazy enough, he was their marquee producer, but Jada's solos, Eve's latter albums, and even X's latter albums featured less input from Swizz.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
1.nikka P.E. didn't put anything out worth talking about after 91'/before 98'.
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6.nikka he's a producer like dame a producer, he wasn't born or gifted "SUPER PRODUCER " he became one by making relevant music,consistently. And being the generator behind multiple acts that took off.
Dame didn't become that,cause his shyt ain't THAT good. Swizz did though
.7. I believe method did like 400k first week,sounds like a buzz to me.
If dmx was so hot without RR anthem,he'd sold more than 250k.
10.and thanks for reaffirming my point them nikkas wasn't nothing,that flag wasn't nothing until x blew up.
And made the pups comfortable revolting against shiny suit man,before that they were just shiny suit soldiers for puffy
