Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[spliz]

lol @ snoop & busta.
big pun was never bigger than DMX
silkk & mystikal - nope
puff & mase were '97. DMX ended their whole schtick.
jay-z?? he was still promoting volume ONE when DMX took over the east coast. then jay-z rode the DMX/ruff ryder wave with volume two.





BREHAM.

we're talking 1998.

not '96-97





no its not.

theres basically 3 types of producers:
- hitmakers
- album molders
- guys that can do both

^^^swizz falls under that last category. which is another reason why hes so underrated by music snobs.

but yea, that's not a knock on dame grease. and its contradictory of you to downplay grease while bigging up timbaland who is on the opposite realm.





oh the irony.

It’s getting tiresome arguing with someone who’s completely wrong and doesn’t see it. Lol. All of this is facts.

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

This is how I remember it (I bought all of X's albuns the day they came out):

IDAHIH; Straight up banger, no denying it. Gritty New York rap was back and wiped the floor with that shiny suit shyt.

FOMF, BOMB; Not as good as IDAHIH, but still solid. Crazy he did both within 1 year, he did FOMF for $1 million through Lyor Cohen. Still the only artist to be #1 on Billboard for 2 albums in 1 year, 1st was his debut too. Crazy.

ATTWX; Wack. All the beats sounded the same, no growth in material, beats were some of the worst I've ever heard and considering what he achieved before, it hurt even more. I remember Kurupt dissed him on "Callin Out Names" a few months earlier and everyone was waiting on X's response. I also remember Def Jam released a lot of albums right around Xmas, Meth + Red, X, Jay-Z, Ja, etc so they ALL had massive coverage.

Every X album afterwards had 1-3 good songs but all were generally weak.

Forgot to mention X's mixtape/soundtrack/Ruff Ryder compilation run was unstoppable

 

[spliz]

Lmao didnt x rap for his record deal with a broken jaw from getting touched?
X grew to have it like that. It wasnt out the gate

X wasn’t famous yet. That was before it and that was cause he was doing so much dirt and robbing so many nikkas he got blamed for a robbery he didn’t commit. I’m talkin bout when he got hot on the streets. Not before all of it.

 

[Kings County]

I never got the appeal of DMX, I really haven't fukked with any of his shyt.

u a suburban boy u cant relate

 

[Big Boss]

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

lol @ 1snoop & busta.
2big pun was never bigger than DMX
3silkk & mystikal - nope
puff & mase were '97. DMX ended 4their whole schtick.
5jay-z?? he was still promoting volume ONE when DMX took over the east coast. 6then jay-z rode the DMX/ruff ryder wave with volume two.





BREHAM.

we're talking 1998.

not '96-97





no its not.

theres basically 3 types of producers:
- hitmakers
- album molders
- guys that can do both

^^^swizz falls under that last category. which is another reason why hes so underrated by music snobs.

but yea, that's not a knock on dame grease. and its contradictory of you to downplay grease while bigging up 7timbaland who is on the opposite realm.





oh the irony.

1.Laughing at Snoop and busta doesn't change reality. Both were legit stars going into early 1998.
Dmx was a guy that had potential and a couple notable features.
2. Maybe it was different in your town, but out here no one gave a fukk about get at me dog. No one has ever talked that song up to me in real life . People instantly loved STILL NOT A PLAYER remix.
3.Let's look at it
(and not's forget we're talking before RR anthem dropped,which dropped a week before IDAHIH came out)
Silkk

Rapped in videos for
"The Ghetto's Tryin' to Kill Me!"
(Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker) 1994

"Mr. Ice Cream Man"
(Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker) 1996 90 55 12 Ice Cream Man
"No More Tears"
(Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker and Mo B. dikk) — 78 15
"I Miss My Homies"
(Master P featuring Pimp C and Silkk the Shocker) 1997 25 16 1

• RIAA: Gold

"Ain't No Limit"
(Mystikal featuring Silkk the Shocker) — 63 — Unpredictable
"Make 'Em Say Uhh!"
(Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker, Mia X, Fiend and Mystikal) 1998 16 18 6

• RIAA: Platinum

"Let's Ride"
(Montell Jordan featuring Master Pand Silkk the Shocker) 2 1 —

• RIAA: Platinum

"The Shocker"
(featuring Master P) 1996 — — — The Shocker
"Just Be Straight with Me"
(featuring Master P and Destiny's Child) 1998 57 36 12 Charge It 2 da Game
"It Ain't My Fault"
(featuring Mystikal) 18 5 1

He was a prominent voice in TRU which just had their 4th album (double plat)
Had his own dope albums in the shocker and CHARGE IT TO THE GAME
.His second album did 300k the first week (feb 1998) IDAHIH did 250k the first week
with RR anthem out.

Mystikal was on


"Make 'Em Say Uhh!"
(
"It Ain't My Fault"
Plus other NL releases like

"It's On"[40] Steady Mobb'n, Master P, Fiend Pre-Meditated Drama
"What Cha Think"[41] N/A I'm Bout It soundtrack
"You Don't Wanna Go 2 War"[42] Mia X, TRU Unlady Like
"Who Got tha Clout"[42] Mia X
"Hustlin'"[43] Mr. Serv-On, Master P Life Insurance
"Let's Get 'Em"[44] Master P, Silkk the Shocker Ghetto D
"Captain Kirk"[44] Master P, Fiend, Silkk the Shocker
"Bring the Noise"[45] 1998 Young Bleed, Master P My Balls and My Word
"I'm a Soldier"[46] Silkk the Shocker, Master P, C-Murder, Fiend, Mac, Skull Duggery, Big Ed, Mia X Charge It 2 da Game
"How Many nikkas?"[46] Silkk the Shocker, C-Murder, Master P, Mia X

Plus dropped his own good album in late 1997 that went plat.

4. Yea he ended puff and mase eventually but up to RR anthem
his biggest moments were on their coat tails,appearing on bad boy releases. And early 1998 they were both waaaaaaaaaay bigger.

5.In 98' (prior to dmx's RR anthem),Jay had RD,vol 1 ,these singles:
"In My Lifetime"
"Dead Presidents" 1996
"Ain't No nikka"
(featuring Foxy Brown)
"Can't Knock the Hustle"
(featuring Mary J. Blige)
"Feelin' It" 1997
"Who You Wit" Sprung soundtrack
"Sunshine"
(featuringBabyface and Foxy Brown)
"The City Is Mine"
(featuringBlackstreet) 1998 52 37 14 — 28 51 44 — — 38
"A Million and One Questions" — — — — — — — —
"It's Alright"
(with Memphis Bleek) Streets Is Watching soundtrack

These Features:
"I'll Be"
(Foxy Brownfeaturing Jay-Z) 1996
Ill Na Na
"All of My Days"
(Changing Faces featuring Jay-Z and R. Kelly

"Big Momma Thang"[84] Lil' Kim, Lil' Cease Hard Core
"I Love the Dough"[86] 1997 The Notorious B.I.G., Angela Winbush Life After Death
"Young G's"[87] Puff Daddy & the Family, The Notorious B.I.G. No Way Out
"Cheat on You"[88] Mase, Lil' Cease, 112 Harlem World

"Call Me" Blackstreet Soul Food Soundtrack

But i guess x was bigger than jay prior to RR anthem




6. Funny,you diss jay and put him under X for "riding RR coat tails"
But place X above Mase and puff,when his only real moments were Bad boy coat tails before he got on.

7.Are you comparing Dame to timbaland?
Dont play yourself

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

They had a machine helping machine push all that. Which is also facts. Were they really hits or did the commercial market convince us that they are after repetitively playing the shyt over and over until caved in to like the shyt? Just being honest. Now Swizz laced T.I. when "King" dropped showing growth.

Are you saying swizz hits were forced?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

X wasn’t famous yet. That was before it and that was cause he was doing so much dirt and robbing so many nikkas he got blamed for a robbery he didn’t commit. I’m talkin bout when he got hot on the streets. Not before all of it.

So when exactly was he hot on the streets in your mind?

 

[Preach Jackson]

The music on the downside of his career didn’t hold up at all. I could still listen to a some jawnts off great depression but that’s it.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This is how I remember it (I bought all of X's albuns the day they came out):

IDAHIH; Straight up banger, no denying it. Gritty New York rap was back and wiped the floor with that shiny suit shyt.

FOMF, BOMB; Not as good as IDAHIH, but still solid. Crazy he did both within 1 year, he did FOMF for $1 million through Lyor Cohen. Still the only artist to be #1 on Billboard for 2 albums in 1 year, 1st was his debut too. Crazy.

ATTWX; Wack. All the beats sounded the same, no growth in material, beats were some of the worst I've ever heard and considering what he achieved before, it hurt even more. I remember Kurupt dissed him on "Callin Out Names" a few months earlier and everyone was waiting on X's response. I also remember Def Jam released a lot of albums right around Xmas, Meth + Red, X, Jay-Z, Ja, etc so they ALL had massive coverage.

Every X album afterwards had 1-3 good songs but all were generally weak.

Forgot to mention X's mixtape/soundtrack/Ruff Ryder compilation run was unstoppable

ATTWX was a another banger from x and is also his biggest album. He destroyed Kurupt's corny ass on party up as well

 

[Ardamus]

Are you saying swizz hits were forced?

The commercial market does that anyway. Payola was/is real. Tell me I'm lyin'. But that's a different topic, I don't want to get into that.
Swizz did have a few joints that banged but lets not act like some of the beats in the beginning didn't sound cheap as fukk either, man.
Some of them, I do think were forced. But that's no different from radio hits in the past either. The business has always worked like that.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

The commercial market does that anyway. Payola was/is real. Tell me I'm lyin'. But that's a different topic, I don't want to get into that.
Swizz did have a few joints that banged but lets not act like some of the beats in the beginning didn't sound cheap as fukk either, man.
Some of them, I do think were forced. But that's no different from radio hits in the past either. The business has always worked like that.

Like what?

 

[R=G]

I was just listening to we don't give a fukk last night

The first albums are easy listens

 

[seemorecizzy]

grand champ was a dope ass album
you're wilding

his first album is classic

flesh in my flesh is a very dope album

and there was x was solid

grand champ was after ex did a bunch of movies and started going overboard with his crack addiction

you can tell right away that he was rappin different

i still wouldnt say the album is trash, but it definitely began the fall off

 

[Ardamus]

Like what?

They tried to force Memphis Bleek Is... and that beat wasn't that great. I personally thought Jigga My nikka wasn't that great of a beat. Along with Money, Cash, Hoes. T.I.'s Bring Em Out. However, he had joints like WW III, Hotel, I'm A Hustla, Touch It, and etc. that showed his improvement and growth as a great producer. So calm down, I'm saying that in the beginning a good portion of some of the production he provided wasn't mediocre to weak and his strength in production showed over time. If you like everything he does, good for you.

But now, where I also give him credit, is when he did good with that 2nd DMX album. That track with Marilyn Manson was well produced. But shyt like Eve's first album, nah man.