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Yeah but it was departure from X music at the time. His style was gritty. After that you could tell X music went in a different direction.
the song was gritty tho.
I think you just didn't feel that doing a video with sisqo prancing around was a good look.
My point is, producing one song or one album for someone doesn't necessarily mean that the producer of said song or album made the artist. That's where the difference between a producer and a beat maker comes into play. That's where I used the Snoop example. One could easily conclude that Dr. Dre made Snoop Dogg a star. He introduced him on "Deep Cover", The Chronic and then produced Doggystyle. It played to Snoop's strength (the laid back, melodic flow and Snoop's charismatic personality complimented the production). The production complimented Snoop in such a way that it pretty much defined Snoop's career. All of Snoop's acclaimed work has Dre's touch on it. Snoop and Dre became a dynamic that is one of the best, if not, best rapper/producer combos in Hip Hop.
^^^ to that point, Swizz didn't do that with X. Swizz didn't produce X's classic. The DMX album that Swizz did helm isn't the one that's considered THE ONE. Swizz only contributed one song to IDAHIH and IDAHIH is>>>>>>>> FOMFBOMB. Same goes for Eve.
With Timbaland, one could say, he did for Missy what Snoop did for Dre. No one can deny that Missy Elliott is a star. The production complimented her and catapulted her into stardom to the point where she and Tim also were a rapper/producer one, two punch.
Drag-On has never been a star and yes he's pretty much on par with Magoo in terms of being a star. They were carried by production and without the production neither was really anything special. The difference being, Magoo can say he had three hit songs and a platinum album. Drag-On can't.
Cassidy trailed behind his contemporaries. Banks, T.I., and Jeezy were far bigger than Cassidy. Cass wasn't exactly a star.
I'm just going by your logic. by your logic, swizz beatz did in fact make Eve.
swizz didn't just do beats, he came up with a lot of hooks and such as well.
missy was already poppin with her crowd off the strength of her guest appearances on r&b records. and the in-the-know types in her jurisdiction, also knew her as a singer & writer. all this before she "rapped" over any timbaland beats.
I don't think I ever said that drag was a star. but comparing him to magoo shows how out of touch you are.
and drag didn't live off of production. he is legit nice and has hits. he just couldn't hold an album down by himself.
I said Cassidy was a star. I didn't say he was a top tier or even a 2nd tier star. but he was a star. you can still be a star without being as big as jeezy. its levels to this.
The Lox did not always have hardcore fan base. As artists under Bad Boy, they were rockin' shiny suits and had "If You Think I'm Jiggy" as their lead single. "Let's Start Rap Over" is the type of song that panders to backpackers.
And in fact, there's no giving Puff too much credit. If so, give credit to those who wrote the narrative that DMX ended the shiny suit era. That statement within itself makes X's impact conditional in regard to an era Puff and co. ushered in. Puff doesn't make beats. That doesn't mean he wasn't molding and shaping the careers of artists. He took street rappers like Biggie and Mase and had them droppin' radio friendly anthems over R&B and Pop loops from the 80's. The result is them becoming some of the biggest stars in rap.
you don't know anything about the lox or their fanbase. please stop trying to argue about things that you know you really have no knowledge of.
youre just looking at things on the surface like "oh they wore shiney suits and they made 'if you think I'm jiggy".
I thought you were trying to say that "lets start rap over" was popcorn. but apparently, you think its backpack.
either way, youre wrong.
I wasn't discrediting puff. I was just saying that he didn't make beats. I understand the confusion tho. I lumped it in with that dre comment.
. DMX and Swizz themselves would slap the shyt outta u for saying some of the shyt u saying.
And bragged about it being a classic
