Yes, I get it. They were all cool with each other and hanging with each other before the deal. It doesn't change the business though. Ruff Ryders' come up was still off the work of Bad Boy. The collaborations AFTER they blew as Bad Boy artists opened the door for Ruff Ryders to blow.
Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY
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Yes, I get it. They were all cool with each other and hanging with each other before the deal. It doesn't change the business though. Ruff Ryders' come up was still off the work of Bad Boy. The collaborations AFTER they blew as Bad Boy artists opened the door for Ruff Ryders to blow.
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Son they got signed. And collaborated with eachother. U saying they blew up off Bad Boy. Well. Duh. They were signed to Bad Boy. But DMX didnt blow up off no damn Bad Boy. He blew up off him being him. Black Rob was on 24 Hours To Live too. nikka didnt blow up until Whoa dropped. Bad Boy hit the jackpot by snatching up Mase n them. And X was just collabing wit his nikkas. Who happened to be signed with Bad Boy.
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X fell of when he did Want They Want with Sisqo.
I just don't understand the thread. Growing up, it was pretty much the norm for artists to fall off after a couple of albums. I'm just not sure what the big deal is.
I never said DMX blew up off of Bad Boy, but they were instrumental in helping him blow up. X got more exposure from Bad Boy than just being on "24 Hours to Live". That said, Ruff Ryders doesn't become the force they became without Bad Boy exposing artists that were in their crew to the world. I'm quite sure we can agree on that.
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It was 24 Hours To Live and Money Power Respect. But by the time Money Power Respect was a single. He had already did 4,3,2,1. He already was on Onyx Shut Em Down. He already had Get At Me Dog. And he was already buzzing like crazy.
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the bolded is beyond stupid.
by your logic, ll cool j didn't become a star until after "14 shots to the dome" - which was his least successful album up to that point. I guess NBC mustve thought really highly of its success, right??
I guess snoop dogg didn't become a star until '03-04. I cant even remember the album that proceeded that doggy fizzle show. but let you tell it, that's the album that made snoop a star.
of course, I'm not arguing about DMX already being a star, but RR Anthem is the song that put DMX in a whole nother stratosphere and pushed him to household name status.
dr dre's resume is overrated. jimmy iovine's machine did more for half of the names that dre gets credited for.
puff doesn't actually make beats.......the same could be said for dre most of the time as well, but I'm not even gonna bother with that one.
the lox had a death row offer on the table, and mary didn't like what she was seeing over at death row, so she hurried up & linked them up with puff.
mase was supposed to sign with so so def.
stop trying to act like puff plucked mase & the lox out of obscurity.
Bad Boy was already established BEFORE ever acquiring Mase or The Lox. Even still, Puff and Bad Boy did most of the heavy lifting for their careers more so than Ruff Ryders. The Lox were greater successes as solo artists under RR than they were as a group. Ruff Ryders on the other hand didn't establish themselves as a powerhouse until AFTER DMX built a buzz via guest appearances and The Lox had already dropped a debut on Bad Boy.
at Drag-On being a star. That's an epic reach and possibly the biggest stretch I've ever seen at somebody making a reach to claim someone as a star. Drag is as much a star as Magoo.
Cassidy was cool and well on the cusp to being a star, but didn't quite make it. He was nowhere near the level of stardom as the guys in his class.
Swizz made no stars out of no one.
The Lox is the same group that released "If You Think I'm Jiggy" and "Let's Start Rap Over" as singles go figure who listened to them. That base didn't change when they switched to Ruff Ryders.
Tim's noteworthy projects are Supa Dupa Fly, Under Construction, and Deliverance
so youre telling me that those timbaland projects were greater & more impactful than DMX, ruff ryder comps & those eve & lox albums?
Cassidy was a star for his time by rap standards. I'm not even trying to argue this, after what you said about Eve, I'm not gonna bother.
I don't think I said dra-gon was a star. I'm sure I said that he was bigger than anybody that timbaland introduced.
lol @ you trying to say that magoo is his equal.
the lox always had a hardcore base that wasn't into shiny suit rap. youre giving puff too much credit.
"lets start rap over" is an ode to hip-hop. it wasn't a jiggy record. lol.
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THANK YOU
ive been saying this for years on here. I even did a whole thread about this.
thing is, most of this board didn't really become cognizant until after the Viacom, radio & label mergers. theyre more familiar with rappers being 5 albums past their prime but still in the limelight.
a lot of people here think 2pac & biggie would still be relevant in 2017.
I see why u and that other nikka arguing so much all over this thread. Yall both stubborn as fukk and cant process facts if it doesnt fit yall beliefs. This is literally Mase saying the same thing I been tryna tell u bozos for the last month.
yea, those two in the same thread is bad for business.
I started side-arguments with both of them, in hopes of keeping them from arguing with each other.
that chit is deadly.
THIS
I mean, I do agree with him that its the song that propelled X to that household level. its easily his biggest hit off the 1st album BUT its not 75 million views bigger than his other singles/appearances in '98.
that's a classic tho.
my favorite DMX single actually.
My point is, producing one song or one album for someone doesn't necessarily mean that the producer of said song or album made the artist. That's where the difference between a producer and a beat maker comes into play. That's where I used the Snoop example. One could easily conclude that Dr. Dre made Snoop Dogg a star. He introduced him on "Deep Cover", The Chronic and then produced Doggystyle. It played to Snoop's strength (the laid back, melodic flow and Snoop's charismatic personality complimented the production). The production complimented Snoop in such a way that it pretty much defined Snoop's career. All of Snoop's acclaimed work has Dre's touch on it. Snoop and Dre became a dynamic that is one of the best, if not, best rapper/producer combos in Hip Hop.
^^^ to that point, Swizz didn't do that with X. Swizz didn't produce X's classic. The DMX album that Swizz did helm isn't the one that's considered THE ONE. Swizz only contributed one song to IDAHIH and IDAHIH is>>>>>>>> FOMFBOMB. Same goes for Eve.
With Timbaland, one could say, he did for Missy what Snoop did for Dre. No one can deny that Missy Elliott is a star. The production complimented her and catapulted her into stardom to the point where she and Tim also were a rapper/producer one, two punch.
Drag-On has never been a star and yes he's pretty much on par with Magoo in terms of being a star. They were carried by production and without the production neither was really anything special. The difference being, Magoo can say he had three hit songs and a platinum album. Drag-On can't.
Cassidy trailed behind his contemporaries. Banks, T.I., and Jeezy were far bigger than Cassidy. Cass wasn't exactly a star.
^^^ to that point, Swizz didn't do that with X. Swizz didn't produce X's classic. The DMX album that Swizz did helm isn't the one that's considered THE ONE. Swizz only contributed one song to IDAHIH and IDAHIH is>>>>>>>> FOMFBOMB. Same goes for Eve.
With Timbaland, one could say, he did for Missy what Snoop did for Dre. No one can deny that Missy Elliott is a star. The production complimented her and catapulted her into stardom to the point where she and Tim also were a rapper/producer one, two punch.
Drag-On has never been a star and yes he's pretty much on par with Magoo in terms of being a star. They were carried by production and without the production neither was really anything special. The difference being, Magoo can say he had three hit songs and a platinum album. Drag-On can't.
Cassidy trailed behind his contemporaries. Banks, T.I., and Jeezy were far bigger than Cassidy. Cass wasn't exactly a star.
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`that's a classic tho.
my favorite DMX single actually.
Yeah but it was departure from X music at the time. His style was gritty. After that you could tell X music went in a different direction.
The Lox did not always have hardcore fan base. As artists under Bad Boy, they were rockin' shiny suits and had "If You Think I'm Jiggy" as their lead single. "Let's Start Rap Over" is the type of song that panders to backpackers.
And in fact, there's no giving Puff too much credit. If so, give credit to those who wrote the narrative that DMX ended the shiny suit era. That statement within itself makes X's impact conditional in regard to an era Puff and co. ushered in. Puff doesn't make beats. That doesn't mean he wasn't molding and shaping the careers of artists. He took street rappers like Biggie and Mase and had them droppin' radio friendly anthems over R&B and Pop loops from the 80's. The result is them becoming some of the biggest stars in rap.
And in fact, there's no giving Puff too much credit. If so, give credit to those who wrote the narrative that DMX ended the shiny suit era. That statement within itself makes X's impact conditional in regard to an era Puff and co. ushered in. Puff doesn't make beats. That doesn't mean he wasn't molding and shaping the careers of artists. He took street rappers like Biggie and Mase and had them droppin' radio friendly anthems over R&B and Pop loops from the 80's. The result is them becoming some of the biggest stars in rap.
That song was still gritty even for something produced by Nokio who basically produced Dru Hill records and didn't really touch Hip Hop like that. Even before that song became a single, it was one of the records that was a go-to joint from that album.
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Not true. On his second album he had shyt like “Its All Good” with the Taana Gardner “Heartbeat” sample. Talkin bout bytches the whole song.
Yea, I was listening to Grand Champ like these beats are trash
these beats are trashBloodline records coming soon 