Low key, how the hell could you like HBK pre DX era?

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I mean fact of the matter is HBK keep that company afloat during their worst period. The numbers speak for themselves. HBK championship run was profitable compared to Nash/Hart in 95 and Taker/Sid in 97. He was the only thing worth watching at that time, esp when Nash/Hall left and Bret took his hiatus. And of course, his matches were better then any garbage WCW main event ever at that point.
 

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The nwo angle changed pro wrestling...Goldberg emerged from it all as a big risk and it worked and paid off until Nash fukked it all up and here we are in 2015...no WCW and all Cena, all the time.

Exactly. So Shawn Michaels 1) faced a singularly epochal, unprecedented, never seen before or since, challenge to WWF from a rival promotion during his main event run AND 2) had to carry the worst WWF roster in history. Tough set of circumstances, no? But HE's to blame for WWF's ills during that period? That position is so ill-conceived as to be laughable.
 

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Flair faced Hulkamania and drew money...Macho faced Hulkamania and drew money...there is no excuse. If Shawn Michaels was innovative, charismatic enough..great enough, he would of been the force to stifle the Nwo and not Steve Austin. But he wasn't. He was a guy girls cheered for during a time period and then they marked out for the Sids, Austins, and remained with Taker. He just wasn't good enough to be the top guy. And who was Shawn carrying in 1996, if you don't mind explaining? LOL.
 
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Exactly. So Shawn Michaels 1) faced a singularly epochal, unprecedented, never seen before or since, challenge to WWF from a rival promotion during his main event run AND 2) had to carry the worst WWF roster in history. Tough set of circumstances, no? But HE's to blame for WWF's ills during that period? That position is so ill-conceived as to be laughable.
Flair faced Hulkamania and drew money...Macho faced Hulkamania and drew money...there is no excuse. If Shawn Michaels was innovative, charismatic enough..great enough, he would of been the force to stifle the Nwo and not Steve Austin. But he wasn't. He was a guy girls cheered for during a time period and then they marked out for the Sids, Austins, and remained with Taker. He just wasn't good enough to be the top guy. And who was Shawn carrying in 1996, if you don't mind explaining? LOL.
i feel like I lean more towards the "Shawn did a serviceable enough job" argument, but I agree with both of you.

On one hand point blank he wasn't drawing, but on the other hand it's not like he was working under ideal circumstances.
 

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Flair faced Hulkamania and drew money...Macho faced Hulkamania and drew money...there is no excuse. If Shawn Michaels was innovative, charismatic enough..great enough, he would of been the force to stifle the Nwo and not Steve Austin. But he wasn't. He was a guy girls cheered for during a time period and then they marked out for the Sids, Austins, and remained with Taker. He just wasn't good enough to be the top guy. And who was Shawn carrying in 1996, if you don't mind explaining? LOL.


The entire roster. 1995 too. Every PPV in those two years was a complete and utter DUD if you subtract the Shawn Michaels match from the card. The company doesn't survive serving up PPV's with cards consisting of Zombie Undertaker vs Sid in a 0* main event with an undercard of Mankind vs Phineas Godwinn, Mabel vs Jeff Jarrett, and Goldust vs Savio Vega as the "workrate match". IMO, of course.

Flair's company literally went bankrupt because of how terribly it drew in the late 80's. If Flair's numbers vs Hulkamania is "success", then HBK's run on top was a veritable box office sensation. Not that it was Flair's fault they did shytty numbers, btw. JCP as a whole sucked almost as bad as mid 90's WWF.

And I don't remember Macho Man and Hogan being in rival companies like that. When was this?
 

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Flair faced Hulkamania and drew money...Macho faced Hulkamania and drew money...there is no excuse. If Shawn Michaels was innovative, charismatic enough..great enough, he would of been the force to stifle the Nwo and not Steve Austin. But he wasn't. He was a guy girls cheered for during a time period and then they marked out for the Sids, Austins, and remained with Taker. He just wasn't good enough to be the top guy. And who was Shawn carrying in 1996, if you don't mind explaining? LOL.

Stop acting like only girls were cheering for HBK did you even watch during this period? HBK was getting the biggest pops in wrestling thru out 96. HBK also outdrew all those guys you mentioned so how was he not "good enough" to be a top guy during that period?
 

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true I wish I was 39+ complaining about sh-t from the 90s and now :mjlol:


just because im not an ignorant dikkhead like yourself, it doesnt mean that im 40.

and next time, notify me when you want to hurl a corny insult. stop being a coward.


Flair's company literally went bankrupt because of how terribly it drew in the late 80's. If Flair's numbers vs Hulkamania is "success", then HBK's run on top was a veritable box office sensation. Not that it was Flair's fault they did shytty numbers, btw. JCP as a whole sucked almost as bad as mid 90's WWF.


LOL.

you guys get too caught up in numbers. JCP didnt suck. it was a horribly mismanaged company. thats 2 different things man.


Is the fact that the resurgence of WWF in the ratings war in 1998 coincided with a huge downturn in the quality of WCW programming (that's pretty much consensus) from the creative highs of 1996-97 nWo etc. purely a coincidence? It's all because they got rid of Shawn who was holding them back I guess.

What were Austin and The Rock competing with in terms of opposition that compares to the first 18 months of the nWo? In fact, when did any WWF main eveter EVER have to compete with something on the level of "the absolute peak of WCW"?


wcw's quality was still higher than the wwf's in 1998.

again, numbers dont correlate with quality. both the wcw & wwf went down in quality in 1998. the peak of wcw's success was in 1998 actually.


I mean fact of the matter is HBK keep that company afloat during their worst period. The numbers speak for themselves. HBK championship run was profitable compared to Nash/Hart in 95 and Taker/Sid in 97. He was the only thing worth watching at that time, esp when Nash/Hall left and Bret took his hiatus. And of course, his matches were better then any garbage WCW main event ever at that point.


people also get too caught up in acting like the main event is the be-all/end all.

when hbk had the belt, he wasnt even a top 3 most-over face alot of the time. he was just the guy with the belt. people acting like hbk was carrying the company is laughable. he was actually a channel-changer.

in '96, we had prime ahmed johnson, the return of the warrior, vader jumped over, mankind came thru late '95, farooq hit the wwf, camp cornette was dope.


Stop acting like only girls were cheering for HBK did you even watch during this period? HBK was getting the biggest pops in wrestling thru out 96. HBK also outdrew all those guys you mentioned so how was he not "good enough" to be a top guy during that period?


no he wasnt.

biggest face pops thru most of the year went to ahmed johnson. and of course warrior, razor & sid when they were active.

shawn tried to give bad advice to ahmed in order to kill his momentum.
 
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Shawn was that dude from 92 when he went solo up until WM 12. I can't get jiggy w/this thread.

When he started rocking different colored IC belts :banderas:
 

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I was a Rockers fan, but Shawn didn't get watchable solo until deep into the DX run.

The Rockers were the greatest 80s tag team never to (properly) hold the belts though.
 

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Shawn was that dude from 92 when he went solo up until WM 12. I can't get jiggy w/this thread.

When he started rocking different colored IC belts :banderas:


that was dope. i think he was better in that role.

him being the face of the company was :laff:
 

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just because im not an ignorant dikkhead like yourself, it doesnt mean that im 40.

and next time, notify me when you want to hurl a corny insult. stop being a coward.





LOL.

you guys get too caught up in numbers. JCP didnt suck. it was a horribly mismanaged company. thats 2 different things man.





wcw's quality was still higher than the wwf's in 1998.

again, numbers dont correlate with quality. both the wcw & wwf went down in quality in 1998. the peak of wcw's success was in 1998 actually.





people also get too caught up in acting like the main event is the be-all/end all.

when hbk had the belt, he wasnt even a top 3 most-over face alot of the time. he was just the guy with the belt. people acting like hbk was carrying the company is laughable. he was actually a channel-changer.

in '96, we had prime ahmed johnson, the return of the warrior, vader jumped over, mankind came thru late '95, farooq hit the wwf, camp cornette was dope.





no he wasnt.

biggest face pops thru most of the year went to ahmed johnson. and of course warrior, razor & sid when they were active.

shawn tried to give bad advice to ahmed in order to kill his momentum.

Are you really going to sit here and say Ahmed, Owen Hart, Bulldog, Foley were bigger the Michales? :laff: Warrior i will give you but he was in for a cup of coffee. Michales was the only reason to watch in 96. Thats fact
 

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word, jim crockett promotions absolutely did not suck, that is just disingenuous....you can't say "man dusty was the man," or "i loved flair and the horseman" and then say JCP sucked; AT ALL
 

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Are you really going to sit here and say Ahmed, Owen Hart, Bulldog, Foley were bigger the Michales? :laff: Warrior i will give you but he was in for a cup of coffee. Michales was the only reason to watch in 96. Thats fact


huh?

yousa simple ass.
 
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