maat ra nubian... should Egyptian culture, be something that WE consider OUR history?

[Blackking]

I think that the word Sudan is Arabic and it is fairly modern. The people in what we now call the Sudan were called Nubian and/or Kushytes and the lands were called Nubia and/or Kush. The Greeks referred to all black people as Ethiopians, but in real terms they were referring to the Egyptians and the Nubians/Kushytes; because that is who they dealt with.

Now people of Abyssinia renamed their Country Ethiopia just last Century. To make things even more complicated Somalia, Abyssinia and Eritrea were also known as Punt. Hard to keep up with all of those names.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/punt.htm

What I meant is the gods of the sudan... Nubians went out and built all these other kingdoms and trading spots

 

[Samori Toure]

What I meant is the gods of the sudan... Nubians went out and built all these other kingdoms and trading spots

Got it. I see what you mean.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

I mean, why is it the main and sometimes Only one black people hype up

That's what happens when u have no knowledge of self. I'm sure u can deduce how that happened to African American people

 

[GetInTheTruck]

The Sahara supposedly started to dry up like 7000 years ago. Does that mean west and south africa were largely uninhabited before that? something about that doesn't sound right.

 

[Samori Toure]

The Sahara supposedly started to dry up like 7000 years ago. Does that mean west and south africa were largely uninhabited before that? something about that doesn't sound right.

What doesn't sound right about it? People obviously migrated in waves over a period of time, not only that but some people continued living in the desert for thousands of years after the encroachment of the desert. The people in the Sudan and in Egypt still live in the desert to this very day.

The Nok culture in Nigeria got to that region about 3,000 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture
The Wolof people of modern day Senegal didn't get there unitl 640 A.D. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people
Pottery from 2500 BC was found in modern day Igbo States in Nigeria .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people

So clearly people did not leave all at once, but it you read the write up on the Wolof people you can see that they settled in Senegal due to the encroaching desert.

Another thing that is clear is that people did not go directly into the forest belt of West Africa. That did not start happening in any great degree until Africans started to smelt iron. Iron was made into weapons and tools for farming and clearing the forest, which is what allowed further pushes into the forest belt (aka jungle).

 

[GetInTheTruck]

What doesn't sound right about it? People obviously migrated in waves over a period of time, not only that but some people continued living in the desert for thousands of years after the encroachment of the desert. The people in the Sudan and in Egypt still live in the desert to this very day.

The Nok culture in Nigeria got to that region about 3,000 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture
The Wolof people of modern day Senegal didn't get there unitl 640 A.D. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_people
Pottery from 2500 BC was found in modern day Igbo States in Nigeria .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people

So clearly people did not leave all at once, but it you read the write up on the Wolof people you can see that they settled in Senegal due to the encroaching desert.

Another thing that is clear is that people did not go directly into the forest belt of West Africa. That did not start happening in any great degree until Africans started to smelt iron. Iron was made into weapons and tools for farming and clearing the forest, which is what allowed further pushes into the forest belt (aka jungle).

It doesn't sound right because people were in west Africa as far back as 12,000 years ago, if you are going to go off wiki, but probably even before that.

7000 years ago is when the Sahara started to dry up, and 2000 years later is when the era of the pharoahs and all that stuff we associate with ancient Egypt started to pop off.

Nok culture is fascinating and deserves more study and attention. But I don't think it's correct to imagine it being anything other than a culture native to west africa, rather than an offshoot of some Egyptian culture.

 

[Samori Toure]

It doesn't sound right because people were in west Africa as far back as 12,000 years ago, if you are going to go off wiki, but probably even before that.

7000 years ago is when the Sahara started to dry up, and 2000 years later is when the era of the pharoahs and all that stuff we associate with ancient Egypt started to pop off.

Nok culture is fascinating and deserves more study and attention. But I don't think it's correct to imagine it being anything other than a culture native to west africa, rather than an offshoot of some Egyptian culture.

The people from West Africa migrated from the East. It is not clear to me who would even deny that or why.. It seems like your issue is with anthropology, oral histories and DNA testing. I am sure that they are all wrong and you are right, but they just need you to show up with the evidence so that they can change their conclusions. I look forward to reading your findings.

 

[MaLi]

http://newsrescue.com/dna-evidence-...ii-a-sub-saharan-african-black/#axzz3aLqtdZbF

Yes

 

[Samori Toure]

http://newsrescue.com/dna-evidence-...ii-a-sub-saharan-african-black/#axzz3aLqtdZbF

Yes

LOL.

"Also anyone who dares deny Ramesses III having E1b1a should note that E1b1a is found in Sudan at 20%… Also presence of severe sickle cell found in the mummies would strongly suggest its (E1b1a’s, that is) presence is not a result of more recent events.
They found Benin sickle cell in Ancient Egyptian mummies, after all:
“We conducted a molecular investigation of the presence of sicklemia in six predynastic Egyptian mummies (about 3200 BC) from the Anthropological and Ethnographic Museum of Turin. Previous studies of these remains showed the presence of severe anemia, while histological preparations of mummified tissues revealed hemolytic disorders.”


Read more: http://newsrescue.com/dna-evidence-...ii-a-sub-saharan-african-black/#ixzz3aMV9UMAf

 

[MostReal]

not too keen on that dikkriding Egypt shyt, but there has been only one official DNA test done on any Egyptian pharaoh, that was Ramesses III, and he came back as being part of the e1b1a haplogroup.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/2xxdeo/what_are_the_implications_of_ramesses_iii/

If you're a black person in the USA there is an overwhelming chance that you are also part of that haplogroup, to make it simpler, if a horrible crime happened and the only DNA on the scene was Ramesses III's DNA, law enforcement would mostly be looking for black males, even though "the Egyptians weren't black!". Take it how you wanna take it

The mental gymnastics going on in that reddit thread to not make a black man black is pretty pathetic

 

[Sudani]

LOL.

"Also anyone who dares deny Ramesses III having E1b1a should note that E1b1a is found in Sudan at 20%… Also presence of severe sickle cell found in the mummies would strongly suggest its (E1b1a’s, that is) presence is not a result of more recent events.
They found Benin sickle cell in Ancient Egyptian mummies, after all:
“We conducted a molecular investigation of the presence of sicklemia in six predynastic Egyptian mummies (about 3200 BC) from the Anthropological and Ethnographic Museum of Turin. Previous studies of these remains showed the presence of severe anemia, while histological preparations of mummified tissues revealed hemolytic disorders.”


Read more: http://newsrescue.com/dna-evidence-...ii-a-sub-saharan-african-black/#ixzz3aMV9UMAf

Actually that subclade is not that prominent, i am talking about "Nile Valley Sudanese" at all. Only group of people that carry that mostly are "Fellaata people", other than that it is nearly non existent of today "Nile Valley Northern Sudanese"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4213521/

 

[Apollo Creed]

No they don't. People migrated into West Africa from North Africa and from East Africa when the Sahara desert dried up a few thousand years ago. That is why West African societies and artwork is much younger than East African societies and artwork. There are also why there are rock paintings and proof of former human settlement in the Sahara desert, especially around Egypt.

http://www.eduplace.com/parents/socsci/ca/books/bkf3/reviews/pdfs/LS_6_06_03.pdf

West Africans are nothing more than North Africans that moved West first and then South into the forest belt. There was another migration called the Bantu migration that people migrated from present day Nigeria and Cameroon all the way south to Angola, Congo and South Africa and all the way east to Southern Ethiopia Kenya, Uganda and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

Another weird thing about the migration into West Africa is a group like the Akan people didn't settle directly into Ghana and the Ivory Coast. The Akan people actually went all the way west first and they were apart of the Ghana Empire which covers a bunch of countries in the Sahara desert in West Africa, including Senegal. The Akan people actually migrated into the forest belt of what we call Ghana and the Ivory Coast about 900 to 1,000 years ago. Which is where they have been every since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akan_people

Yea I`m of a Mande tribe and they came from Mali and such into the coastal West Africa

 

[RAX 010]

 

[WaveGang]

LOL. The real Egyptians were the Nuba people of modern day Southern Egypt and the Sudan. The Nuba people even had pyramids and wrote in heiraglyphs.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/08/29/the_nubian_meroe_pyramids_in_sudan.html
http://www.ancientsudan.org/writing_01_early_nubian.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Nubia.aspx

The people of Nubia invaded Egypt and set up the 25th dynasty in Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

The other people that you think are the real Egyptians are actually invaders. That is the thing; Egypt was invaded a lot including by the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, French and the English and there were plenty more; but the key thing to remember is that those invasion happened long after Egypt's days of glory.

Btw, another thing that most people don't know about Egyptians is that they did the Arab Harem thing before the Arabs did it. The Egyptians warred against the Hittites and took a number of slaves who may have been Slavic. We get the word slave from phrase "slav" which refers to the Slavic people of modern day Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia and other Countries in Central and Eastern Europe. And the Egyptians eventually mixed with the white skinned yellow haired women just like the Arabs did in their conquests. It is the kids that those harems produced that make White people think that Egyptians and the Arabs where white; when in fact the White people in those groups are either descended from the slave white women or by later white invaders like Greeks and Romans who set up their own lines of Pharaohs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs
http://www.ancientmilitary.com/ancient-slavs.htm

By the way if you notice the later migrations to West Africa by our ancestors; all of their oral history points back to them migrating from Egypt.

to be honest I was talking about the Sudanese/ Eritreans etc

Arabs dont claim to be the ancient egyptians

 

[Guile]

If i could get an accurate genetic study done, I would like to study the regions I have strong genetic connections to but that is it.

I don't see the point of studying Egypt if I don't have some roots there. Africans themselves aren't Pan African, why should I be?