Mace your teacher, brehettes.

[valet]

Are you really young? Because in my day, if something like that happened the parent just calls the office and a student aide brings a note to the student's classroom.

It's a hell of a lot less disruptive than kids having their phones with them 24/7. They've proven that people with phones are more distracted than people without phones even when they're not looking at them. Just the fact that you have the phone and are thinking about it is legit a distraction, on top of all the times they use it to check out of the actual class content.

No, not really young. I work in a H.S. and pointing out the downside of not having a phone. I think no phones is oversimplying it. What you described happened back in the day. No doubt.

But at the H.S. I work at and talking to other people who work at H.S.s it doesn't always work that way. Like alot jobs who are low paying, they ain't doing all that. Especially at large H.S. where it's people constantly calling the office. They'll let that phone ring. Especially with caller ID with rude parents.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No, not really young. I work in a H.S. and pointing out the downside of not having a phone. I think no phones is oversimplying it. What you described happened back in the day. No doubt.

But at the H.S. I work at and talking to other people who work at H.S.s it doesn't always work that way. Like alot jobs who are low paying, they ain't doing all that. Especially at large H.S. where it's people constantly calling the office. They'll let that phone ring. Especially with caller ID with rude parents.

So there's a perfectly fine solution that has worked just fine in the past, but you think that it won't get implemented perfectly all of the time, which will have....extremely minor consequences. So your solution is to massively infringe on the integrity of the classroom all day every day.

And the kids never ignore their parents? Or have the sound off? And they absolutely can't wait until class is over to check these messages?

 

[KFBF]

Who here legitimately thinks a child would think to mace a teacher and the others who choose to outright fight them will 1) willingly leave the classroom once the teacher directs him/her out and 2) will submit to whatever authority/discipline the principal or staff attempts to impart on him/her? It's damn near comical to keep seeing people suggest that. Maybe it's a reflexive response, because nothing in the way some of these modern children move, at least a lot of them, suggests to me they are going silently.

That was one of most bizarre parts of this thread. It's not always simple to get a kid removed from class and they don't give a fukk about the principals office.

 

[skylove4]

Then put your phone in the box as required. Yes money absolutely should be involved. It's the one thing these kids actually care about. How hard is it to just follow the rules?

But If kids with well-off parents know they can afford to pay and still do it what sense does that make to use fines

it’s like people with higher incomes receiving traffic tickets that cost the same as poor people. They don’t really care because traffic tickets wouldn’t cause many issues in their lives but could completely derail a poor persons.

When you use monetary penalties you aren’t punishing crime or misbehavior you’re punishing poor people

 

[valet]

So there's a perfectly fine solution that has worked just fine in the past, but you think that it won't get implemented perfectly all of the time, which will have....extremely minor consequences. So your solution is to massively infringe on the integrity of the classroom all day every day.

And the kids never ignore their parents? Or have the sound off? And they absolutely can't wait until class is over to check these messages?

I question minor consequences though. If there is an active shooting situation, news can spread way faster through student texting each other, then to wait on school officials to make decisions. Never been in a school shooting situation. But I have been involved in kids making threats on social media to shoot up the school. Once kids saw it, they contacted their parents. Admin waited much longer to handle it. Or try to cover it up to avoid panic.

Same thing can happen in a school shooting situation. It can spread way faster then waiting for admin trying to make a decision what to do.

2ndly, as I stated earlier. Technology is apart of many classrooms. Teachers in math classes use programs like Kahoot! to access where kids are at. To keep them engage.

3rd, the problems you see are partly because of classroom management. I can tell with this white "effiminate" teacher those type of problems exist. She don't respect him. If this was a black, female teacher she respected she would fall back. I know teachers who don't allow phone use, listening to music at all. Or not until work is done. And kids follow it because they respect the teacher. And for rebellious kids they'll just skip the class because they know they can't run the teacher. They know they cant do what they want so they skip class. Just like parenting kids know what they can/cannot do.

 

[valet]

Here's some more info on Kahoot! Again phones can be used to engage kids in the classroom.

Make your students the hosts of their own learning experiences

A student-centered learning platform and content hub designed to help students to take an active role in their education through powerful play.

kahoot.com

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I question minor consequences though. If there is an active shooting situation, news can spread way faster through student texting each other, then to wait on school officials to make decisions. Never been in a school shooting situation. But I have been involved in kids making threats on social media to shoot up the school. Once kids saw it, they contacted their parents. Admin waited much longer to handle it. Or try to cover it up to avoid panic.

Breh, if there's a fukking shooting then I'm sure the teacher will let the kids get their phones out of the box.

But in general, you're talking about disrupting class every single day in the hope that they'll be able to have some ambiguous impact on an extremely rare event. 99.9% of kids never face a school shooting, and even if they do, 99.9% of the time having a cell phone will make absolutely zero impact on whether they live or die.

2ndly, as I stated earlier. Technology is apart of many classrooms. Teachers in math classes use programs like Kahoot! to access where kids are at. To keep them engage.

So students are required to own a smartphone? How does that work for students who can't afford one or whose parents don't think they should have one yet?

And even if you need a smartphone to do a class activiy, then just like literally any other classroom technological aid, it can be distributed for the activity when they need it. They don't need to keep it on their body 24/7 when they're not using it.

3rd, the problems you see are partly because of classroom management. I can tell with this white "effiminate" teacher those type of problems exist. She don't respect him. If this was a black, female teacher she respected she would fall back. I know teachers who don't allow phone use, listening to music at all. Or not until work is done. And kids follow it because they respect the teacher. And for rebellious kids they'll just skip the class because they know they can't run the teacher. They know they cant do what they want so they skip class. Just like parenting kids know what they can/cannot do.

I have no idea where you work because in the school districts I work this is fukking fantasy world.

"Cell phone addiction won't be a problem for any of your students, just so long as you have strong classroom management and the students respect you."

That principle doesn't even work for fukking grown-ass adults in the workplace, much less for half-developed teenagers. Classroom management is crucial but it can't overcome everything, which is why actual boundaries are crucial too.

 

[Fill Collins]

Little shyts like these need to be automatically expelled, you're in school to at least learn rote and take tests, put your phone in your pocket.

OAN, there's so many programs for "at-risk youth", at least when I was in majority Black and hispanic public schools, but where's that extra push for the students who DO give a fukk or are willing to learn? AP and DE classes aren't enough, we gotta cut dead weight early when it comes to cases like these

 

[valet]

Breh, if there's a fukking shooting then I'm sure the teacher will let the kids get their phones out of the box.

But in general, you're talking about disrupting class every single day in the hope that they'll be able to have some ambiguous impact on an extremely rare event. 99.9% of kids never face a school shooting, and even if they do, 99.9% of the time having a cell phone will make absolutely zero impact on whether they live or die.






So students are required to own a smartphone? How does that work for students who can't afford one or whose parents don't think they should have one yet?

And even if you need a smartphone to do a class activiy, then just like literally any other classroom technological aid, it can be distributed for the activity when they need it. They don't need to keep it on their body 24/7 when they're not using it.






I have no idea where you work because in the school districts I work this is fukking fantasy world.

"Cell phone addiction won't be a problem for any of your students, just so long as you have strong classroom management and the students respect you."

That principle doesn't even work for fukking grown-ass adults in the workplace, much less for half-developed teenagers. Classroom management is crucial but it can't overcome everything, which is why actual boundaries are crucial too.

Yes I'm sure a teacher would let thr kids get their if it's a active shooter. My point is kids can spread it's an active shooter in the building faster sometimes then adults. Kids can know way before a teacher could know. News spread fast is what I'm saying. And that's an advantage of technology .

Yes school shooting are rare. But school threats (over social media are not) in my experience. Plus kids sneaking in guns.

No I'm sure having a cellphone is not a requirement in those classes. I don't know how they handle kids who dont. My point is some teachers use cell phones in education. Cell phones can have kids engage and can a positive. Sure, if you take phones away the teachers could give it to them when it's needed for classes. I'm not saying that can't happen.

I'm not arguing there will be no problem. I said the problem is PARTLY classroom management. Sure phone addiction is an issue but the question is what the solution? Banning it is one solution but I don't think it's the best with the reasons I have given. Setting boundaries on when it can be used in the classroom is is better. It's no perfect solution but banning phones in the classroom is not the best. Sure it doesn't work for adults either with phone addiction
I agree its about boundaries but it's about which boundaries. Just locking up phones has it disadvantages as well.

 

[Mike_Pipeson]

I woulda spiked that phone like a football after that

I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that. fukk that kid and that phone and them parents.

 

[Traveler]

No, not really young. I work in a H.S. and pointing out the downside of not having a phone. I think no phones is oversimplying it. What you described happened back in the day. No doubt.

But at the H.S. I work at and talking to other people who work at H.S.s it doesn't always work that way. Like alot jobs who are low paying, they ain't doing all that. Especially at large H.S. where it's people constantly calling the office. They'll let that phone ring. Especially with caller ID with rude parents.

You being back the school operator. Boom job creation.

 

[valet]

Also with

You being back the school operator. Boom job creation.

What you mean?

 

[Traveler]

Also with


What you mean?

someone whose job it is to answer the phone.

 

[Sleepy Floyd]

Comment in the reddit thread says she was looking up answers on google

Imagine trusting Reddit comments as a reputable source

 

[Prodyson]

Good on her.

The phone doesn't belong to him...why is he taking it?

Because it’s against school rules to use a phone during class, lol. The same reason teachers used to take food, and playing cards, and everything else students aren’t supposed to have in class.