Macklemore is being used to paint the rest of hip-hop as 'uncivil'

[SunZoo]

You haven't read through all my posts if you're asking this, I pointed to his skin and pop sound as the reason he crossed over. But the arguments the author is making is about the content, how he's bringing some new thought and positivist to hip hop when we've had that before (minus the gay anthem) and it was ignored by whites. Dudes are acting like this is some long overdue movement in hip hop that will move the music forward when we've had acts that were very popular among hip hop consumers who did the same. they would have a more sound argument if they would just admit they love that he made his brand of hip hop upbeat and accessible to people who otherwise aren't fans of hip hop.

I'll admit that, didn't really read the article either but I kind of have the general sentiment, that it's going to take a white man to move hip hop into breaking down some of the last taboos in the culture.

You can't "minus the gay anthem" when that's like literally the last taboo/barrier to break down in hip hop. Even the anti-materialism isn't something I remember too much of in the mainstream, you are more than welcome to post examples, i'll hear you out.

I remember Kayne West going on a rant about gays and gay rights or something to that effect in an interview when he got rallied behind to kind of quell the prevalence of "gangsta rap" in favor for positive shyt, but I never heard him do a song about it and he has done nothing but perpetuation consumer/commercialism as well, he could have used his platform to do what macklemoore is doing right now. Common would have definitely gotten more of a look than someone like murs had he gotten more specific than just not being lumped in with the ignorant rappers.

It's like regardless of how you feel about those particular issues they need to be addressed at this point in time, I just hate that it's HIM that brought it to the forefront, who's fault is it though? Other rappers who already had the platform for not taking that leap? The illuminati and cac conspiracy commission keeping us from "evolving"?

 

[Illuminatos]

Agreed. Bullying should be permitted. But, the bullied coming back to school the next day and shooting the bullies should also be permitted. Exacting revenge builds character. So does being shot and surviving. Its a win-win.

Dumbest post I've seen in a while.

 

[OG Talk]

I've got no problem with positive rap, but being overt about it is just corny.

How do you feel about overt negative rap?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

OF COURSE they got the "black" guy to write that bullshyt.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How do you feel about overt negative rap?

it exists for consumers to...consume.

I acknowledge the potential it has to corrupt but at some level, I defend its existence because i'm against censorship in that regard.

I wouldn't let my kids listen to it (if I had any) but still.

I'll just keep it funky...I'm educated enough to know that its entertainment. Some people frankly arent and thats why we have to account for those who are unfortunately unable to view music simply as entertainment instead of as inspiration for ridiculous behavior.

I'm not looking to "learn" through music. I'm looking to enjoy myself. Being overly preachy comes second to me if i'm not enjoying the music overall. If there ends up being a message, then so be it. But if you're just gonna go off on some rant (cause most rappers aren't truly that intelligent to put ME on game about much of anything) then you better do it in a way thats catchy and subversive, otherwise, you'd be better off writing a book about your thoughts or posting it on your blog.

 

[mobbinfms]

Dumbest post I've seen in a while.

How so? If the strong can prey on the weak, why can't the weak even the odds?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I'm not ignorant to the fact that there are ignorant white people in the mainstream media(and note, not every white media outlet is mainstream) who are on the ''omg macklemore, he's the first rapper to ever not rap about rims and ho's'' wave, i just think they are greatly outnumbered by the whites in the media who couldn't stop masturbating over how ''innovative'' and ''pioneering'' Kanye's last shytty album was.

And again, since you seem hung up on this ''positive rappers'' Macklemore is not a ''positive rapper'' like Kendrick is, dude is making hit songs in support of gay marriage. lol, we never seen that before, that IS a big deal so the media are making it a big deal. I don't see a problem in that.

So one hit song about gay marriage is enough to paint Macklemore as the singular shining example of "cerebral" hip hop that dare reach beyond violence and misogyny in the 30-plus year history of the genre??




The album isn't even the most "cerebral" album nominated this year for a grammy...(GKMC is BY FAR the more thought provoking album between the two)...nor is he "exceptionally liberal" by any means far as rap goes (besides the fact being pro gay marriage isn't the defining tenet of liberalism, there are rap superstars like Kanye who have spoken out in support of gay rights in the past and currently has songs railing against sh!t like the prison-industrial complex, however shallowly, on his current release...that's not even delving into faaar more liberal rappers that are not as popular)....from the actual merits of the content of his music, Macklemore falls somewhere around a tepid 4 (generic, vaguely "conscious rapper"...somewhere around the Blackalicous' of the world ) on the hip hop liberal scale , of which, there are too many to even name over say the past 25 years ....about the only thing bout Macklemore that is actually "exceptional" far as hip hop goes, is his ability to make stylistically white-washed hip-hop-ish pop music...he originally blew up off the strength of his ability to make safe, sugary ass pop rap hits (Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us)...not as some kind of cerebral, revolutionarily liberal hip hop genius...that the gay marriage song became popular is almost an accident of impeccable timing (him becoming the hot new pop-rapper of the day, the Flo-Rida or BEP of this year if you will, at the same time that gay marriage legislation was passing)...without it, he'd be just as popular

 

[NvrCMyNut]

So one hit song about gay marriage is enough to paint Macklemore as the singular shining example of "cerebral" hip hop that dare reach beyond violence and misogyny in the 30-plus year history of the genre??




The album isn't even the most "cerebral" album nominated this year for a grammy...(GKMC is BY FAR the more thought provoking album between the two)...nor is he "exceptionally liberal" by any means far as rap goes (besides the fact being pro gay marriage isn't the defining tenet of liberalism, there are rap superstars like Kanye who have spoken out in support of gay rights in the past and currently has songs railing against sh!t like the prison-industrial complex, however shallowly, on his current release...that's not even delving into faaar more liberal rappers that are not as popular)....from the actual merits of the content of his music, Macklemore falls somewhere around a tepid 4 (generic, vaguely "conscious rapper"...somewhere around the Blackalicous' of the world ) on the hip hop liberal scale , of which, there are too many to even name over say the past 25 years ....about the only thing Macklemore that is actually "exceptional" far as hip hop goes, is his ability to make stylistically white-washed hip-hop-ish pop music...he originally blew up off the strength of his ability to make safe, sugary ass pop rap hits (Thrift Shop and Can't Hold Us)...not as some kind of cerebral, revolutionarily liberal hip hop genius...that the gay marriage song became popular is almost an accident of impeccable timing (him becoming the hot new pop-rapper of the day, the Flo-Rida or BEP of this year if you will, at the same time that gay marriage legislation was passing)

breh, this is bigger than his gay love song (Marsha ambrosius had a very pro gay video 2-3 years ago that wasn't lauded like macklemore) the injustice is the wording the author used "positivity" and "cerebral". macklemore came along at the right time in the during the gay agenda, made the right pop songs, and is the right color, and is now being kinged as what we need in hip hop. That's my problem, him being the poster boy of what hip hop needs - if people want to give him props for supporting gays, that's one thing, but don't act like there haven't been uplifting, party themed, anti consumerism rappers before.

We clearly have different views on this, so there is no point of continuing to go back and forth.

the ''hiphop never had nothing positive positive to say till macklemore arrived'' white savior foolishness is not the consensus opinion being pushes from the mainstream. Who the fukk is dallas whatever, never heard of em. The noises coming out of the mainstream is that a black 'positive' rapper is favored for the Grammy's over Macklemore. How about that?

 

[OG Talk]

I'll just keep it funky...I'm educated enough to know that its entertainment. Some people frankly arent and thats why we have to account for those who are unfortunately unable to view music simply as entertainment instead of as inspiration for ridiculous behavior.

I'm not looking to "learn" through music. I'm looking to enjoy myself. Being overly preachy comes second to me if i'm not enjoying the music overall. If there ends up being a message, then so be it. But if you're just gonna go off on some rant (cause most rappers aren't truly that intelligent to put ME on game about much of anything) then you better do it in a way thats catchy and subversive, otherwise, you'd be better off writing a book about your thoughts or posting it on your blog.

Wow you did a lot of explaining.. I just wanted to know if you thought it was corny

 

[Scientific]

Hip Hop always came form the other side of the tracks, that ugly noise blacks and brown would bump and people didn't understand. And it used to never shy away from what the residents of that side had to say. Whatever it was. Be it negative or positive.

The biggest problem is, is that people who take this giant umbrella, and try to cover every single aspect of it. When O'riely called Luda a gangster rapper, blasted Pepsi for having him in commercials? Luda may be a lot of things, but hardcore thug he aint.

There were other rappers who did what Macklemore did. And I for one hate using the race card for black and Latinos because it cheapens legitimate situations. But you cant help but notice it. De la Soul called out the industry decades ago. The Roots released "What They Do". And all of a sudden, this dud makes a sappy song about homophobia and he's THE guy to call out hip hop?

Seems like they needed a poster child, and they got it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Forget him being white for a moment.

Is his music even GOOD?

Cause honestly, the answer is a RESOUNDING "HELL no"

Mac Miller makes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY doper shyt than he does and is extraordinarily less pretentious.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Hip Hop always came form the other side of the tracks. And it used to never shy away from what the residents of that side had to say. Whatever it was. Be it negative or positive.

The biggest problem is, is that people who take this giant umbrella, and try to cover every single aspect of it. When O'riely called Luda a gangster rapper, blasted Pepsi for having him in commercials? Luda maybe be a lot of things, but hardcore thugs he aint.

There were other rappers who did what Macklemore did. And I for one hate using the race card for black and Latinos because it cheapens legitimate situations. But you cant help but notice it. De la Soul called out the industry decades ago. The Roots released "What They Do". And all of a sudden, this dud makes a sappy song about homophobia and he's THE guy to call out hip hop?

Seems like they needed a poster child, and they got it.

yeah...its funny to me cause all they wanna do is talk about "message" as if all rap music is SUPPOSED to be about some socio-political shyt.

Go sit somewhere with that non-sense.

 

[Wild self]

How do you feel about overt negative rap?

Its "normal" for most people. But If there was more rap that called out ignorance and c00nery, white folks wouldn't dare fukk with this artform at all. More pro-black shyt = less chance of white folks trying to take it over.

 

[BAMBA]

De La Soul & A Tribe Called Quest were insanely popular with white america in the late 80's early 90's and they quite positive.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Why does hip hop have to be Civil? Why does hip hop have to be uplifiting for the people? Cant it jus be some shyt we do? How come Cacs aint writing time pieces about grunge rock and when rockstars used to run trains on groupies on cam and throw pig blood on people?

Your right. Hip-Hop doesn't have to be civil. Just don't catch feelings when hip-hop is labeled as uncivil. That's like a hoe being mad that she's being called a hoe