Macklemore is being used to paint the rest of hip-hop as 'uncivil'

[dora_da_destroyer]

You answered your own question right there. They're not comparable to Macklemore, Kanye, Kendrick etc. Anything before 98ish is before my time, i can't comment on the mainstream reception of 'positive' hiphop outside of my generation, i just know within my generation i've witnessed a clear bias towards these artists.

But that's the problem, you admit you can't comment past a certain year, and that's cool, but these mainstream white outlets also can't make sweeping assumptions about the positivity of hip hop when they're not a part of the culture. They've ignored acts who were huge in the genre and had a positive message, mackelmore crossed over cuz his color (plus his sound was a lot more pop than soul) they now see him as what hip hop needs when we had that, in the forefront, at one point. they didn't give it the time of day, they were too busy being enamored by the snoop dogg's, 2pac's, wu tangs, 50 cents and dmx's they now shun. You can't make sweeping claims such as that article without proper perspective or due diligence, which is clear the original author does not have.

 

[JasonSJackson]

"...more cerebral brand of hip-hop will flourish in the future"

smh

 

[JasonSJackson]

my main question is, when will you all (the rap fans that actually entertain this grammy foolishness) and the rappers that are aware of how poorly the grammies handle the rap/hip hop music genre cease entertaining it?

 

[OG Talk]

Mainstream hip hop is uncivilized c00n music for the most part...And since Macklemore is dominating the mainstream avenues its natural that he stands out as the exception to the rule...

 

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[SunZoo]

Breh, where were the accolades for common , mos def, talib - all successful in the black community back in the early 00's.

Where is their "thrift shop" though? Yea he's basically a tumblr activist on wax but he's also very poppy, safe/mainstream.

If you're asking where is "blacklemoore" you have to point out an artist who's in that same lane, aiming for the similar sound, similar demographic (hipster/social justice crowd) and similar effect to really judge weather he's getting are real disproportionate look his way. You can't just cut off the comparisons at the "conscious" sub-genre of rap.

IMO, the closest person I can think of is LIil B as far as the whole positivist angle, hipster following and willingness to be goofy and capable of a song like "thrift shop", and while macklemoore is no lyrical wizard he shyts on him in that department.

If you can throw out some names that actually move or could be moving in that lane you'd have a more sound argument. Donald Glover maybe?



But all this "what about kewli" or whatever black rapper who don't "beez in the trap" shyt sounds reactionary and a bit short sighted in regards to this situation

 

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[NvrCMyNut]

But that's the problem, you admit you can't comment past a certain year, and that's cool, but these mainstream white outlets also can't make sweeping assumptions about the positivity of hip hop when they're not a part of the culture. They've ignored acts who were huge in the genre and had a positive message, mackelmore crossed over cuz his color (plus his sound was a lot more pop than soul) they now see him as what hip hop needs when we had that, in the forefront, at one point. they didn't give it the time of day, they were too busy being enamored by the snoop dogg's, 2pac's, wu tangs, 50 cents and dmx's they now shun. You can't make sweeping claims such as that article without proper perspective or due diligence, which is clear the original author does not have.

I'm not ignorant to the fact that there are ignorant white people in the mainstream media(and note, not every white media outlet is mainstream) who are on the ''omg macklemore, he's the first rapper to ever not rap about rims and ho's'' wave, i just think they are greatly outnumbered by the whites in the media who couldn't stop masturbating over how ''innovative'' and ''pioneering'' Kanye's last shytty album was.

And again, since you seem hung up on this ''positive rappers'' Macklemore is not a ''positive rapper'' like Kendrick is, dude is making hit songs in support of gay marriage. lol, we never seen that before, that IS a big deal so the media are making it a big deal. i don't see the injustice in that.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Wow please dont let him win. Grammys are voted on by other artists so i think its impossible.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Where is their "thrift shop" though? Yea he's basically a tumblr activist on wax but he's also very poppy, safe/mainstream.

If you're asking where is "blacklemoore" you have to point out an artist who's in that same lane, aiming for the similar sound, similar demographic (hipster I would assume) and similar effect to really judge weather he's getting are real disproportionate look his way. You can't just cut off the comparisons at the "conscious" sub-genre of rap.

IMO, the closest person I can think of is LIil B as far as the whole positivist angle, hipster following and willingness to be goofy and capable of a song like "thrift shop", and while macklemoore is no lyrical wizard he shyts on him in that department.

If you can throw out some names that actually move or could be moving in that lane you'd have a more sound argument. Donald Glover maybe?



But all this "what about kewli" or whatever black rapper who don't "beez in the trap" shyt sounds reactionary and a bit short sighted in regards to this situation

You haven't read through all my posts if you're asking this, I pointed to his skin and pop sound as the reason he crossed over. But the arguments the author is making is about the content, how he's bringing some new thought and positivity to hip hop when we've had that before (minus the gay anthem) and it was ignored by whites. Dudes are acting like this is some long overdue movement in hip hop that will move the music forward when we've had acts that were very popular amongst hip hop consumers who did the same. they would have a more sound argument if they would just admit they love that he made his brand of hip hop upbeat and accessible to people who otherwise aren't fans of hip hop.

 

[OG Talk]

Didn't Blu or one of them Black Cali rappers do a song supporting sodomites before Macklemore?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And again, since you seem hung up on this ''positive rappers'' Macklemore is not a ''positive rapper'' like Kendrick is, dude is making hit songs in support of gay marriage. lol, we never seen that before, that IS a big deal so the media are making it a big deal. i don't see the injustice in that.

breh, this is bigger than his gay love song (Marsha ambrosius had a very pro gay video 2-3 years ago that wasn't lauded like macklemore) the injustice is the wording the author used "positivity" and "cerebral". macklemore came along at the right time in the during the gay agenda, made the right pop songs, and is the right color, and is now being kinged as what we need in hip hop. That's my problem, him being the poster boy of what hip hop needs - if people want to give him props for supporting gays, that's one thing, but don't act like there haven't been uplifting, party themed, anti consumerism rappers before.

We clearly have different views on this, so there is no point of continuing to go back and forth.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Kanye is more conscious TODAY IN HIS MUSIC than 90% of his peers.

Quote me on that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

When they write the same thing about rock music, i'll give a flying fukk

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I've got no problem with positive rap, but being overt about it is just corny.