Magic Johnson ethers Steph Curry's GOAT PG case

[MAKAVELI25]

u sound like a homotional female in her feelings

all u had to do is answer the simple question … if you would have just answered by saying “it wasn’t you“ then I would’ve moved on, but by your not responding - it had to be you … which actually makes you the liar

You're making yourself look real bad by not just linking to the post. If you're unwilling to use the search function, you need to shut up at this point.

 

[Imyremeshaw]

I've been saying for 2-3 years, Steph just trails in too many categories. You can't be losing damn near everywhere...

And some of yall don't like this part of the evaluation, but it's always mattered and been understood subconsciously by heads----->how many rings you won as a #1. The Culture has always subconsciously understood that this matters, otherwise Hondo and Pippen would be more highly revered...

Steph has 2 rings and 3 Finals appearances as a #1. This is alot, by the way, it's just Magic has more--->3 rings and 5 Finals appearances as a #1...

This is befire you get into everything else Steph trails Magic in and the fact Magic has more notable Finals moments. Those two things, success as a #1 and iconic moments in The Finals, are maybe the most important factors to anyone's All-Time resume...

It's not outta the realm of possibility that Steph catches Magic All-Time, but it's a long shyt. Magic played 13 years period, and really 12 if you take out the comeback year. Steph is loading Year 15. He's running outta time, just one more title/Finals run isn't gonna put him PAST Magic. He needs at least two more Finals runs to jump Magic...

Until then Magic remains the GOAT point and ahead of Steph All-Time. But to Steph's credit, he's solidly at #2 and creating some distance between himself and whoever we wanna put at #3, and it ain't no fukking overrated ass Zeke...

I think you're being very generous with your use of the term '#1'. Magic never led his team in scoring in the playoffs in any of his championship runs.

The three FMVPs also don't prove he was a #1 because we know for certain that Kareem was the #1 in 1980 and Magic still won that award.

I'm not saying he was never a #1 but you could at least argue it.

The #1 argument isn't something you really see until after 1985-1990s with Bird, Magic, and Jordan. Funny enough after Bird's second championship the #1 argument starts to get brought up to argue Bird over Russell.

Bill is considered greater than Wilt and wasn't the #1 option but the best player in those championships. Same with Bill Walton on the 1977 champion teams, Maurice Lucas was #1 but Walton was the best player.

 

[kingofnyc]

I said you were lying. My G, you can’t read.

u know u done fukked up … right …. u know u done fukked up

You're making yourself look real bad by not just linking to the post. If you're unwilling to use the search function, you need to shut up at this point.

the dude could’ve easily answered my question , I have no issue with him. Apparently he does with me. so you and him need to shut the fukk up

 

[Art Barr]

This is dumb

All this means is Steph peaked later than Magic.

I can easily say first and only unanimous mvp >>> anything magic did or Stephs 2016 season is the goat offensive season

Stop.
Yo comment is complete cap.

Only true comparison is in timeline and steph pales in comparison.
Same as LeBron fails to measure up to MAgic.
Same as Bron fails to measure up to jordan.






Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

The #1 argument isn't something you really see until after 1985-1990s with Bird, Magic, and Jordan. Funny enough after Bird's second championship the #1 argument starts to get brought up to argue Bird over Russell.

Bill is considered greater than Wilt and wasn't the #1 option but the best player in those championships. Same with Bill Walton on the 1977 champion teams, Maurice Lucas was #1 but Walton was the best player.

The goat argument was started as a racist deflection of bird over bill Russell as the greatest Team player.
If you do not know where or how in general the goat argument arose.

From the east coast seaboard racist media to falsely crown bird over the team accomplishments of Russell.

In that deflection is how jordan bested the eastern seaboard racist argument of bird over Russell. That now according to their criteria. Jordan had now surpassed their argument as a skill player and the best team player by their racist semantics and deflection in print.


The reason why jordan is the goat.

Is he is the best skill player who defeated this racist deflection in the media to downplay Bill Russell in favor of bird just because bird was white.



Art Barr


Parkerlewis:

In general if you do not know this.
You should not be speaking about legacy titles in sports. Let alone basketball. As you have not done the due diligence to speak on this matter and speaking completely out of turn.

If you juat found this out from my post.

Gimme my props publically.
or you catching a fukk'n table.

Art Barr

 

[BlueHeffner]

I've been saying for 2-3 years, Steph just trails in too many categories. You can't be losing damn near everywhere...

And some of yall don't like this part of the evaluation, but it's always mattered and been understood subconsciously by heads----->how many rings you won as a #1. The Culture has always subconsciously understood that this matters, otherwise Hondo and Pippen would be more highly revered...

Steph has 2 rings and 3 Finals appearances as a #1. This is alot, by the way, it's just Magic has more--->3 rings and 5 Finals appearances as a #1...

This is befire you get into everything else Steph trails Magic in and the fact Magic has more notable Finals moments. Those two things, success as a #1 and iconic moments in The Finals, are maybe the most important factors to anyone's All-Time resume...

It's not outta the realm of possibility that Steph catches Magic All-Time, but it's a long shyt. Magic played 13 years period, and really 12 if you take out the comeback year. Steph is loading Year 15. He's running outta time, just one more title/Finals run isn't gonna put him PAST Magic. He needs at least two more Finals runs to jump Magic...

Until then Magic remains the GOAT point and ahead of Steph All-Time. But to Steph's credit, he's solidly at #2 and creating some distance between himself and whoever we wanna put at #3, and it ain't no fukking overrated ass Zeke...

Apply your logic to Bron vs MJ and then explain to me why you think Bron is the goat

 

[murksiderock]

The #1 argument isn't something you really see until after 1985-1990s with Bird, Magic, and Jordan. Funny enough after Bird's second championship the #1 argument starts to get brought up to argue Bird over Russell.

Bill is considered greater than Wilt and wasn't the #1 option but the best player in those championships. Same with Bill Walton on the 1977 champion teams, Maurice Lucas was #1 but Walton was the best player.

I don't know when the argument came up, I just know there's a subconscious understanding that it matters who the best player on a championship team is. And that, that subsconscious understanding has always mattered...

Otherwise The Culture would have Havlicek and many other guys rated much higher historically...

But we don't because we fundamentally understand that being the best player on a championship team is a greater accomplishment than being the second best player, or lesser, on a champion...

Russell wasn't the #1 scoring option on any of his 13 teams but he was pretty definitively the Celtics best player during the 8peat. Again, the #1 scorer is generally the best player on a team but that isn't always the case and there's many examples of this not being the case in league history...

Apply your logic to Bron vs MJ and then explain to me why you think Bron is the goat

First of all, Bron doesn't trail Mike in everything....

Mike has 6 wins and 6 Finals appearances, LeBron has 4 and 10 Finals appearances. The oft-used argument that Mike dominated his era more isn't entirely true, as if you take Bron's career thru 13 years (2016), which is Mike's Bulls career, Bron still had 7 Finals appearances to Mike's 6...

Bron more consistently put his team in championship contention than Mike, this isn't the case with Steph vis a vis Magic. Magic more consistently had his Lakers in title contention than Steph...

You look at the teams Bron took to contention, it's proven Jordan never took a bad roster beyond Rd1. It never happened, not even once. He had 15 years to do it one time. Mike never did shyt with a bad roster. On the other hand, Magic took the crumbling '91 Lakers to The Finals, Steph has never taken an injury-riddled team anywhere....

There are specific legacy points that LeBron has over Mike, that Steph doesn't have over Magic, these aren't the same scenarios in comparison...

Bron has more Top 5 MVP finishes, more All-NBAs, more conference finals runs, than Mike. Steph has ZERO of these claims over Magic...

And just as relevant as anything else, Steph doesn't have any iconic Finals moments. His '22 Finals is his best showing but no one will bring up any performance like they do Magic's '80 center game...or Magic's junior hook over the C's in '87...or Magic's '91 carry job...

Steph has some legendary playoff moments but his biggest moments are earlier in the playoffs. And really, playing in 6 Finals and being the best player in 1 can and should be held against him...

In contrast LeBron doesn't have a playoff resume anywhere close to Steph's, with LeBron you can legitimately make the argument he's the most dominant postseason player ever. You can make this argument for Jordan too but you can't definitively say Mike's playoff resume is stronger than Bron's unless you simply say "6>4". If you talk about actual performances, in The Finals or playoffs at large, LeBron has as many iconic moments as Mike, and probably more if people are being honest. LeBron's consistent shytting on All-Time defenses in the playoffs is legendary in itself...

I can keep going but the Steph/Magic debate isn't the same as the LeBron/Mike one, there are specific things that apply to Bron/Mike that just don't apply to Steph/Magic. They all great but it's not the same conversation and your mistake is reading my response on Steph/Magic and correlating it as the same convo as the Bron/Mike one...

 

[fifth column]

I don't know when the argument came up, I just know there's a subconscious understanding that it matters who the best player on a championship team is. And that, that subsconscious understanding has always mattered...

Otherwise The Culture would have Havlicek and many other guys rated much higher historically...

But we don't because we fundamentally understand that being the best player on a championship team is a greater accomplishment than being the second best player, or lesser, on a champion...

Russell wasn't the #1 scoring option on any of his 13 teams but he was pretty definitively the Celtics best player during the 8peat. Again, the #1 scorer is generally the best player on a team but that isn't always the case and there's many examples of this not being the case in league history...

First of all, Bron doesn't trail Mike in everything....

Mike has 6 wins and 6 Finals appearances, LeBron has 4 and 10 Finals appearances. The oft-used argument that Mike dominated his era more isn't entirely true, as if you take Bron's career thru 13 years (2016), which is Mike's Bulls career, Bron still had 7 Finals appearances to Mike's 6...

Bron more consistently put his team in championship contention than Mike, this isn't the case with Steph vis a vis Magic. Magic more consistently had his Lakers in title contention than Steph...

You look at the teams Bron took to contention, it's proven Jordan never took a bad roster beyond Rd1. It never happened, not even once. He had 15 years to do it one time. Mike never did shyt with a bad roster. On the other hand, Magic took the crumbling '91 Lakers to The Finals, Steph has never taken an injury-riddled team anywhere....

There are specific legacy points that LeBron has over Mike, that Steph doesn't have over Magic, these aren't the same scenarios in comparison...

Bron has more Top 5 MVP finishes, more All-NBAs, more conference finals runs, than Mike. Steph has ZERO of these claims over Magic...

And just as relevant as anything else, Steph doesn't have any iconic Finals moments. His '22 Finals is his best showing but no one will bring up any performance like they do Magic's '80 center game...or Magic's junior hook over the C's in '87...or Magic's '91 carry job...

Steph has some legendary playoff moments but his biggest moments are earlier in the playoffs. And really, playing in 6 Finals and being the best player in 1 can and should be held against him...

In contrast LeBron doesn't have a playoff resume anywhere close to Steph's, with LeBron you can legitimately make the argument he's the most dominant postseason player ever. You can make this argument for Jordan too but you can't definitively say Mike's playoff resume is stronger than Bron's unless you simply say "6>4". If you talk about actual performances, in The Finals or playoffs at large, LeBron has as many iconic moments as Mike, and probably more if people are being honest. LeBron's consistent shytting on All-Time defenses in the playoffs is legendary in itself...

I can keep going but the Steph/Magic debate isn't the same as the LeBron/Mike one, there are specific things that apply to Bron/Mike that just don't apply to Steph/Magic. They all great but it's not the same conversation and your mistake is reading my response on Steph/Magic and correlating it as the same convo as the Bron/Mike one...

So you are telling us that Bron has more “participation trophies” than the goat. Let’s see Bron has been to more finals yet has less chips, more top 5 mvp finishes yet as less mvps, not to mention dude has been playing for 21 seasons+. I wonder what keeps him coming back year after year

 

[Killer Instinct]

As great as Steph is I just can't call him the GOAT PG, let alone even put him in the top 5 of PG's ever

 

[Big Boss]

Curry>>>>

 

[BlueHeffner]

If Bron can be better than Mike without having the accolades, then so can Steph be better than Magic

 

[Jplaya2023]

If Bron can be better than Mike without having the accolades, then so can Steph be better than Magic

No no and fukk no.

Lets enjoy this dub and start doing the comparisons monday morning at 10AM

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

If Bron can be better than Mike without having the accolades

Who made that up?

 

[BlueHeffner]

No no and fukk no.

Lets enjoy this dub and start doing the comparisons monday morning at 10AM

Hes better


The 80’s/90’s are done

 

[Jplaya2023]

Hes better


The 80’s/90’s are done

Thats 30/40 years ago. Lets enjoy today.