Mahomes is top-4 all time

[Rekkapryde]

Despite being a black QB. Patrick gets his respect even by haters.

It's something you can't deny

I see alot of people all over the net holding him up and putting him at no less than top 3 QBs.

This game was good and both QBs got great reception from it.

Yeah, lowkey I'm glad Hurts played damn good. They can't shyt on him. Philly got one in him.

 

[Rekkapryde]

It's extremely premature to put Mahomes in GOAT conversations rn. Brady had to win 4 rings before he even seriously started getting put in those convos.

That's how you know Brady wasn't really on that level eye test wise

that's a damn good point.

 

[No1]

He out played Brady in the playoffs that year

He outplayed Brady when he lost to him in the AFC championship game? Shut up b lmao.

 

[JYoung24]

He outplayed Brady when he lost to him in the AFC championship game? Shut up b lmao.

Yes he did

 

[No1]

that's a damn good point.

No it isn’t. Yo man, I know you’re a Peyton guy and you’re a good poster but stop cosigning this guy’s stupidity. It had nothing to do with eye test. They compared Brady to Joe by his second ring. They wouldn’t put him over because no one liked the Patriots and the media loved Montana. Also, it was simply confirmation bias. Jemele Hill said this well on her show with Michael Smith years ago. Her fellow media members just won’t accept that this guy no one saw coming became this good so they attribute it to everything else.

Mahomes and the Chiefs are better liked. Thats all there is to it. Like I was trying to ignore that dude and you keep propping up his idiocy in this thread.

 

[Rekkapryde]

No it isn’t. Yo man, I know you’re a Peyton guy and you’re a good poster but stop cosigning this guy’s stupidity. It had nothing to do with eye test. They compared Brady to Joe by his second ring. They wouldn’t put him over because no one liked the Patriots and the media loved Montana. Also, it was simply confirmation bias. Jemele Hill said this well on her show with Michael Smith years ago. Her fellow media members just won’t accept that this guy no one saw coming became this good so they attribute it to everything else.

Mahomes and the Chiefs are better liked. Thats all there is to it. Like I was trying to ignore that dude and you keep propping up his idiocy in this thread.

I'm not a Peyton guy. I'm a Joe guy. But I had to give that agenda up somewhat with Tom having 7. Problem is just like Lawrence Taylor said, Joe played in a harder QB environment.

It took Tom getting to 4 before the murmurs started on him potentially being the GOAT QB. Once he got 5, I still had Joe. But he added 2 more.

As far as Pat, it's not even a question who I'm drafting number 1 all time out of all the QB greats.

 

[Street Knowledge]

It’s kinda crazy how Mahomes essentially erased rodgers legacy.

It’s like his career was what we thought Rodgers would be during 2011

At 27, he has more SB wins, Appearances and the same number of total playoff wins than Rodgers has his whole career

 

[MoshpitMazi]

Mahomes different

fukk brady that’s my goat.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

It’s kinda crazy how Mahomes essentially erased rodgers legacy.

It’s like his career was what we thought Rodgers would be during 2011

At 27, he has more SB wins, Appearances and the same number of total playoff wins than Rodgers has his whole career

Didn't erase his legacy but I think people give Rodgers a bigger pass than they should. Some of the failures do fall on him.

 

[Shadow King]

I don't think we can shoo off the longevity like that. As that Twitter post you linked says, both Marino and Unitas peaked really early and weren't the same by the time they were a decade in (I just pointed this out about Marino in a thread a week or two ago). These guys were transcendent players who revolutionized the position for their eras (same way Pat is doing)---->Johnny U played 18 years and the last six of those years was on a consistent decline...

Marino played 17 years and same thing, last six or seven years was on a steady decline...

This is also why I've always cautioned to pump the brakes on Mahomes, we HAVE seen this before. What he is to our eyes is what Unitas was to the eyes watching him in real time, and the eyes watching Marino, then Favre, then Manning, then Rodgers after that. Fair enough point that Mahomes' playoff production is already separating itself from most guys, but the longevity is another qualifier that separates players at that uppermost tier...

Back to Unitas real quick, he gets left out of most discussions, probably because he retired 50 years ago and he's been dead for 20 years. Probably 95%+ of football fans alive today never saw him play a down, and the few remaining who did see him, half of them probably can't remember him with clarity; my dad is 58 in April, says he started watching ball in '70 or '71, and while he remembers "hearing about" Unitas as a kid, says he has no memory of ever seeing a Unitas snap or game...

Unitas won three chips and three MVPs, if this is an accolade count, Mahomes is still behind him, too. He should be in everyone's Top 10 and has a case as a Top 5 GOAT, and if you weight everyone's play for the era in which they played, he was Mahomes in his generation...

Favre was a touchdown away from being a 2x champ in Y7, and he was great in The Bowl he lost. If he wins in '97 and is a 2x champ the legacy narrative on him is much greater than it is...

Rodgers' longevity in being an elite quarterback, in addition to the actual skillset and play, are going to keep him in a conversation with Mahomes for awhile...

Longevity matters. It isn't the only thing that matters, we all agree on that, but neither is ring count, otherwise Eli and others would be in these conversations...

Also, the mountain to catch up ultimately to Montana and Brady isn't about reaching a certain number of rings, I've been adamant on that. He certainly has to win more, but he has to have the kind of performances they put on in the Super Bowl. Mahomes has played in three, gotten a little better with each successive one, and yesterday was his cleanest, most consistent Super Bowl to date, he was great...

It wasn't an All-Time performance, he's played in 3 and we've yet to get an iconic Super Bowl from him. This isn't as significant compared to the other Top 10 GOATs we talk about, because most of them don't have that kind of SB performance either----->but Brady and Montana do, and they both have MULTIPLE All-Time SB performances...

Mahomes is three Bowls in with zero to date. It's a factor with those two guys along with everything else, at some point we're going to need that from him even if in a loss (like '17 Brady)...

Unitas has 4 breh

Didn't erase his legacy but I think people give Rodgers a bigger pass than they should. Some of the failures do fall on him.

Where?

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Unitas has 4 breh

Where?

Everywhere. Until recently, we heard everyone get blamed for the Packers failures except for the QB

 

[murksiderock]

Unitas has 4 breh

Where?

No doubt!

There's alot of measuring awards going on here. Ton of cats on here and on TV supporting their stance of Mahomes as already Top 3 based on his award count. If we gonna do that he ain't past Johnny U yet, if that's the bar nikkas wanna go with. I just think it's important for cats to provide real context in these conversations, and in the case of Unitas appreciating that he was that "never seen anyone this good" guy for the people watching him in real time in that era...

That said, Pat's earned all the respect in the world as an All-Timer just 6 years in. The longevity absolutely is part of the equation thouhj, how long can he keep this level of play running? I don't expect him to fade anytime soon but it's not a given he's playing this highly for the next 10 or more years...

Rant over, not directed at you, just the general discourse on here!

 

[areohbee824]

That NFL Madden cover from 2 years ago so prophetic

 

[holidayinn21]

Mahomes hasn't been close to the best player in any of his SB's. Hurts was far and away the star of the game.

I'm sorry, but he did nothing yesterday to move himself up the list. He wasn’t bad or anything, actually he was good. But the running game and Andy’s brilliance made the game extremely easy for him.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Only Brady, the Sheriff, and Montana were better



2 Rings
2 SB MVPs
2 regular season MVPs

Mahomes is the best QB ever imo. Followed by Marino (unpopular opinion that's gonna killed by most on here but I don't give a shyt)