JMurder
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Main difference between Aaliyah and Beyonce
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Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
This post here just proved my point. Y'all have to compare Beyonce's talents as an ADULT to Aaliyah's talents as a TEENAGER.
Post Beyonce clips as a teenager and lets see who was better
aalyiah wasnt no dam teenager when she died.
and beyonce was younger & already surpassed her in every category except beats.
finally something we can agree on.
why would you even respond to what I said if you knew what I said wasn't too far off from the WRONG statements you made. "I never said 1 millie" no you said 2 millie. "I never said I was a fan," no you said you enjoyed and liked her music.
And you STILL continue to prove my point. Even when you addressed your incorrect statement about her "hoping to go gold", you didn't say "I was wrong" you said "I backed off of that statement."why are you so afraid to admit you're wrong breh. I did it...why can't you? Do we have to list your quotes and put them next to links for you?
the classic nicca i be; i dont usually use newer smilies but
@ the bolded.i fell back cuz i still dont remember it going gold back then. nor do i remember it going double-plat within a year of her death. as far as i remember, myself and others let yall have it. i basically said i was wrong, even tho i wasnt sure that i actually was incorrect. yet youre claiming that i cant admit such.
not to mention that im always the first one on here to say when im off-point. so f*ck off with that.and like i said, my point still stands regardless of whether or not she went gold, so theres no reason for me to not admit anything. the sales were considered dissappointing. you cant rewrite history. an artist of her status typically sold better than that back then.
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
aalyiah wasnt no dam teenager when she died.
and beyonce was younger & already surpassed her in every category except beats.
the classic nicca i be; i dont usually use newer smilies but
i fell back cuz i still dont remember it going gold back then. nor do i remember it going double-plat within a year of her death. as far as i remember, myself and others let yall have it. i basically said i was wrong, even tho i wasnt sure that i actually was incorrect. yet youre claiming that i cant admit such.
and like i said, my point still stands regardless of whether or not she went gold, so theres no reason for me to not admit anything. the sales were considered dissappointing. you cant rewrite history. an artist of her status typically sold better than that back then.
See your problem is. You want to say whatever you want, fact or fiction, and let everyone else do all the work for you. That's why you're a troll.
go to RIAA.com and look up certifications
Aaliyah (July 17) went gold in 4 weeks (August 14), went platinum on August 30th. She died 5 days before that.
Now let's compare other popular R&B acts from 2001
Usher 8701:
Released August 7...didn't go Gold until November 6
Jagged Edge Jagged Little Thrill:
Released: June 22, 2001...didn't go Gold until August 1, 2001 (went platinum at the same time)
Faith Evans Faithfully:
Released: November 6, 2001...didn't go Gold until January 10, 2002 (never went Platinum)
Alicia Keys Songs In A Minor:
Released: June 26, 2001...didnt go Gold until July 23, 2001 (went platinum at the same time)
Michael Jackson Invincible:
Released: October 30, 2001...didn't go Gold until December 3, 2001 (went platinum at the same time)
No...no...I think you're wrong...an artist of her status actually didn't sell better than that back then. An artist of MJ's status did tho...and I remember that being disappointing.
baller2500
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aalyiah wasnt no dam teenager when she died.
and beyonce was younger & already surpassed her in every category except beats.
the classic nicca i be; i dont usually use newer smilies but
i fell back cuz i still dont remember it going gold back then. nor do i remember it going double-plat within a year of her death. as far as i remember, myself and others let yall have it. i basically said i was wrong, even tho i wasnt sure that i actually was incorrect. yet youre claiming that i cant admit such.
and like i said, my point still stands regardless of whether or not she went gold, so theres no reason for me to not admit anything. the sales were considered dissappointing. you cant rewrite history. an artist of her status typically sold better than that back then.
90% of Aaliyah's material and live performances are from when she was a teenager. And Again, where is your proof of Beyonce being better at anything? She aint surpass sh!t.
And funny how you try to diss Aaliyah's sales, but that album was actually selling better than Monica's "after the storm" AND Brandy's "full moon".
baller2500
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exactly. She was average. Nothing was special about her in the 90's. Her voice was just okay, and her dancing wasn't even nothing to talk about. This was a basic ass performance.
I give her credit though.. Beyonce worked hard to improve her talents..... How do we know if Aaliyah wouldn't have done the same?
JMurder
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S7venwords
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Word, it was a sad day in Detroit when the news hit about her plane, still remember watching BETand hearing DMX just trying to keep it together.
I know right....Good music is good music, and hollow music is hollow music. The same way dudes were feelin some of Alicia Keys music, Lauryn Hill, early Mary J...the fact that this turned into Aaliyah vs Brandy vs Monica for a good portion...I think it should've been ended this.
I guess mega-popularity and sitting on top of the world can rewrite history.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
so you load up a basic walk-thru performance for some kids show as proof of what?
and keep in mind, i could care less about beyonce, but the stupidity exhibited by you and that baller cat just makes me nauseous.
and she still sounds better than aaliyah.
nah. plenty of people have come in here and similar threads and blatantly propped up aalyiah solely on the basis of the beats & lyrics that were given to her. thats what its bascially all about. and thats why alot of us are giving these dudes the
. what it all comes down to is the fact that aalyiah is a better listen for male rap fans, including myself. that doesnt make her better.actually, monica & brandy were brought up to show how much of a non-factor aalyiah was to the success of beyonce or anybody for that matter. the fact that she wasnt even the front-runner for her own lane. that alone kills the idea of her being a factor. yet these dudes think that she would be the biggest name in the whole game if she lived. its crazy.
90% of Aaliyah's material and live performances are from when she was a teenager. And Again, where is your proof of Beyonce being better at anything? She aint surpass sh!t.
And funny how you try to diss Aaliyah's sales, but that album was actually selling better than Monica's "after the storm" AND Brandy's "full moon".
you and jmurder are making me chuckle like a name-buckle with these desperate @$$ faulty arguments.
AGAIN, what "proof" do you want? its subjective. all youre gonna do is chit on whatever link somebody posts. get a clue idiot.
and aaliyah had plenty of adult performances. i just saw one the other day on tv. WEAK. and man, DONT YOU KNOW THAT MOST GREAT SINGERS WERE WRECKING SHOP AS TEENAGERS? youre lowering the bar like a champ.also, i dont see why youre comparing aalyiah to brandy & monica at that point, seeing that they werent in the same lane anymore. i dont even remember how much they sold, and dont care in regards to this.
monica's "after the storm" wasnt crossover. not to mention, it didnt drop during the same time period either.
brandy still had crossover value to her name but her music did a 360 in terms of maturity in comparison to her previous work.
these were all grown women, and all pretty much went their own ways by then. the whole teen princess lane was dead at that point, at least for them. brandy & monica werent even compared to each other like that anymore. let alone aaliyah and the others.
what exactly are you getting at here? aalyiah's numbers WERE CONSIDERED DISSAPPOINTING. i didnt make that chit up. go argue with all the people that established that impression so they can
@ you.yes. aalyiah was a dissappointment. but michael jackson was a str8 flop. no argument there. again, what are you getting at?
i forgot how poorly usher did out the gate, thanks in part to the way they relentlessly push him. now thats one dude that i dont like. thanks for reminding me - PUN INTENDED - that weak 1st single of his.
the rest of those names werent even crossover. you people just post links with no understanding of anything, thinking that youre getting somewhere, when 80% of the time, youre saying nothing.
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
and she still sounds better than aaliyah.
ing exhibit AI see you're not mentioning anything about how Beyonce was propped up through Destiny's Child so she could be who she is today, nor are you mentioning that Beyonce's songwriting credibility is something that can be seriously questioned. Destiny's Child had a team of writers from the start, and Bey was always propped up from the start. I'll take making songs written by Timbaland & Missy Elliot (two rappers) and turning them into R&B classics over soulless music that a member may have tweaked a word or two in order to become listed as a writer anyday.
About one poster said this...and you came in here from post 1 to insult anybody who would speak up for Aaliyah. Majority consensus is that Aaliyah's star was rising. You haven't done anything but flap your lips to prove otherwise.
yes, it's subjective...but according to you Aaliyah couldn't sing a lick and Beyonce was outsinging her back THEN. All it takes is two links. I posted three for Aaliyah where she sang better than in the studio...one for Bey where she sang worse. That's how your show "proof."AGAIN, what "proof" do you want? its subjective. all youre gonna do is chit on whatever link somebody posts. get a clue idiot.
Disappointing to who? You haven't posted not one link...fall back if you can't find one or shut the fukk up. Thankswhat exactly are you getting at here? aalyiah's numbers WERE CONSIDERED DISSAPPOINTING. i didnt make that chit up. go argue with all the people that established that impression so they can
That wasn't even....why are you responding to this you moron?ing Exhibit BStill waiting for links. Wait...Alicia Keys wasn't one of the biggest R&B names that year?the rest of those names werent even crossover. you people just post links with no understanding of anything, thinking that youre getting somewhere, when 80% of the time, youre saying nothing.
So give me some names of crossover artists from that year. B2K? Brandy dropped the next year and still couldn't 200K out the gate. You know what?It's clear now
Trolls gonna troll 
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I see you're not mentioning anything about how Beyonce was propped up through Destiny's Child so she could be who she is today, nor are you mentioning that Beyonce's songwriting credibility is something that can be seriously questioned. Destiny's Child had a team of writers from the start, and Bey was always propped up from the start. I'll take making songs written by Timbaland & Missy Elliot (two rappers) and turning them into R&B classics over soulless music that a member may have tweaked a word or two in order to become listed as a writer anyday.
About one poster said this...and you came in here from post 1 to insult anybody who would speak up for Aaliyah. Majority consensus is that Aaliyah's star was rising. You haven't done anything but flap your lips to prove otherwise.
yes, it's subjective...but according to you Aaliyah couldn't sing a lick and Beyonce was outsinging her back THEN. All it takes is two links. I posted three for Aaliyah where she sang better than in the studio...one for Bey where she sang worse. That's how your show "proof."
Disappointing to who? You haven't posted not one link...fall back if you can't find one or shut the fukk up. Thanks
Still waiting for links. Wait...Alicia Keys wasn't one of the biggest R&B names that year?
It's clear now
for some reason, you continue to remind me about how you werent really around back then. alicia keys was a brand-spankin new artist in 2001. she became a huge star AFTER THE FACT, off the back of the run that summer. youre hitting new lows in this thread. whats funny is, she pretty much surpassed aalyiah IMMEDIATELY.
and now youre insinuating that beyonce wasnt already bigger than aalyiah before she died.
also, i dont know why youre arguing me down about beyonce. i dont know how much more clear i can be when i say that i could care less about shorty. last song i really checked for by her/destinys child was "survivor"(and she was already bigger than aalyiah by then.
)with that said, i skimmed thru the parts where you bombarded me with these beyonce arguments, as if i give a f**k. as for the parts that i did read at the beginning, i dont know how you can compare aaliyah living off kelz, timbo & missy to beyonce being in a group. whatever. i really dont want to know. and beyonce is sheisty. im sure she geesed alot of people for writing credits. its a common industry practice. that doesnt mean that she never writes.
lol @ just 1 poster bringing that up. stop lying. theres no prize at the end of this homie. knock it off. not to mention that monica & brandy are ALWAYS brought up in these threads by myself & others. basically shutting down the idea of the thread title with the simple fact that aalyiah couldnt even win her own division, so how the hell was she in contention for the national championship?
dog, that 1st link you posted was @$$, which led me to ignoring the rest of your links & opinions concerning this matter.(i only watched that FOX-FAM link cuz i dont remember that show). you and the other dude look stupid as hell posting videos for nothing. get a clue already. ive followed both of their careers. theres no videos you can magically pull out ya @$$ to change my mind. and obviously im not gonna change the minds of people that actually think aalyiah was a good vocalist/dancer/performer. and for the record, ive always maintained that beyonce is nothing special with the vocals. but she was better than aalyiah @$$.
Jone2three45
Superstar
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
and this thread is going in circles. this will probably be my last post unless we get some type of twist in the mix or some new people in here.
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
and now youre insinuating that beyonce wasnt already bigger than aalyiah before she died.
that's all I read aside from you saying "Alicia Keys was a brand spanking new artist" as if "Falling" wasn't the biggest song from an R&B artist that year