Main difference between Aaliyah and Beyonce

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

that's all I read aside from you saying "Alicia Keys was a brand spanking new artist" as if "Falling" wasn't the biggest song from an R&B artist that year

you know darn well you read my whole post twice. youre the one following me around in here. not the other way around.

and nobody knew who alicia keys was until like a month before her album dropped. i dont think i can simplify it any further for you.

 

[Taadow]

and nobody knew who alicia keys was until like a month before her album dropped. i dont think i can simplify it any further for you.

Oh chit - you know you done fucced up, riiiiight?

Alicia Keys was a signed artist for YEARS before her first joint dropped. She was stuck on Columbia because nobody knew what to do with her. The first time she was ever on wax was the Men In Black Soundtrack - the same as Destiny's Child. And that was what, 1997?

So...

1) Was Beyonce more talented than Alicia Keys back then, or was she just being pushed?

2) Is Beyonce more talented than Alicia Keys now?

3) Do either of the previous two questions matter if one makes better music than the other one in somebodys' opinion?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

^youre not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

im saying that alicia keys was virtually unknown to the general public before "fallin".

i dont understand the logic in you making this alicia keys vs beyonce. but i dont think youre applying any type of logic to your posts in this thread to begin with.

btw, alicia keys >>>>>> beyonce

 

[Taadow]

^youre not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

Sure I am...

im saying that alicia keys was virtually unknown to the general public before "fallin".

I know...but why is that? She's been in the industry just as long as Beyonce, but she wasn't getting the same push, or artist development attention as Bey and they were on the same label.

i dont understand the logic in you making this alicia keys vs beyonce. but i dont think youre applying any type of logic so nevermind.

I didn't make this Alicia Keys vs Beyonce...some other nicca bought this up. Other Niccas Bringing Sh*t Up is why this thread is so long.

btw, alicia keys >>>>>> beyonce

This is the only part of your post that matters, because that's what this thread was about. This is what happened here:

OP: Aaliyah > Beyonce. I like her music better.
Other posters: I agree.
Disagreers: Nah uh...Beyonce can sing better and writes her own music plus she is more popular.
Other disagreers: Yeah, Aaliyah isn't as popular as Beyonce. She is only as popular as she is because she is dead. That has to be the only reason, it can't have anything to do with her music...

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

i can say alicia keys is better than beyonce with a str8 face. cant do that for aalyiah. thats the point.

and this is in line with all the other aalyiah/beyonce threads where they try to say that beyonce is only popular because aalyiah(of all people) isnt around. dude just changed the wording because the most recent thread like this was merely a couple weeks before this one was made.

dude knew what he was doing. he geesed us for a triple-platinum thread and barely posted in it. thats why ive been trying to exit this joint for the past 2 weeks, but these dudes jmurder & baller keep pulling me back in with slander.

and this is really my thread by the way. this chit wouldnt have gone plat without me. let alone triple.

 

[Taadow]

i can say alicia keys is better than beyonce with a str8 face. cant do that for aalyiah. thats the point.

Why can't you say that if you think Aaliyah's music is better than hers? That's the point.

 

[nieman]

I think the key argument here is whether or not they are in the same mold; a semi-hip-hop/pop artist. But they aren't. They weren't even marketed the same. One, Beyonce was pushed to be the breakout star in a pop-group. Their sound was more in the Spice Girls wave than anything hip-hop. They weren't TLC, 702, they weren't even Total or SWV. Their music was never R&B Soul, or that "new jack swing/funk"; they were always meant to be Pop...you can make a case for "No, No, No" which didn't break until Wylcef touched it. Their appearances on Silkk the Shocker's albums was their attempt but they realized they weren't gonna make it there.

Aaliyah was marketed as a younger Mary J. Hip-hop beats with some ballads mixed in. Even now, Beyonce caters to the Pop crowd. Kelly tried to go the route more towards Soul but....Anyway, they aren't/weren't the same type of artist, so you can't really compare their music. Beyonce doesn't look for or cater to the hip-hop crowd. That's why Monica and Brandy made their way into this discussion. Beyonce has to be compared to Gaga or Amy Winehouse (even though Winehouse was more Soul sound), Madonna, Brittney Spears. Brittney was more her peer than Aaliyah

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Why can't you say that if you think Aaliyah's music is better than hers? That's the point.

because she was more of a product than a talent. common sense man.

and im not gonna speak anymore on it because people have broken this down about 100 times in this thread already. yall just playing dumb at this point.

I think the key argument here is whether or not they are in the same mold; a semi-hip-hop/pop artist. But they aren't. They weren't even marketed the same. One, Beyonce was pushed to be the breakout star in a pop-group. Their sound was more in the Spice Girls wave than anything hip-hop. They weren't TLC, 702, they weren't even Total or SWV. Their music was never R&B Soul, or that "new jack swing/funk"; they were always meant to be Pop...you can make a case for "No, No, No" which didn't break until Wylcef touched it. Their appearances on Silkk the Shocker's albums was their attempt but they realized they weren't gonna make it there.

Aaliyah was marketed as a younger Mary J. Hip-hop beats with some ballads mixed in. Even now, Beyonce caters to the Pop crowd. Kelly tried to go the route more towards Soul but....Anyway, they aren't/weren't the same type of artist, so you can't really compare their music. Beyonce doesn't look for or cater to the hip-hop crowd. That's why Monica and Brandy made their way into this discussion. Beyonce has to be compared to Gaga or Amy Winehouse (even though Winehouse was more Soul sound), Madonna, Brittney Spears. Brittney was more her peer than Aaliyah

i agree & disagree.

they always had alot of hip-hop flavor. they first came out doing songs with geto boys, silkk the shocker, camron, amil, etc.

but i think they wanted that r&b with pop appeal lane, which they eventually got with the 2nd album but both those albums have hip-hop flavor. and all their albums had more soul than any aaliyah joint.

 

[Taadow]

because she was more of a product than a talent. common sense man.

What the fucc does that matter in this conversation? If you think ones' product is better than anothers', why can't you say that?


Besides, you could say Beyonce is also more of a product than a talent. She's just as packaged as any popular musician at their height has been.

 

[TheBigBopper]

Um, Beyonce is a country ass ho from Houston and Aaliyah was classy and actually spoke comprehensible english?

 

[baller2500]

but i think they wanted that r&b with pop appeal lane, which they eventually got with the 2nd album but both those albums have hip-hop flavor. and all their albums had more soul than any aaliyah joint.

U can't be serious Bug A boo, bootylicious, are soulful?

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

The difference is "Talent"...

 

[Jone2three45]

I think the key argument here is whether or not they are in the same mold; a semi-hip-hop/pop artist. But they aren't. They weren't even marketed the same. One, Beyonce was pushed to be the breakout star in a pop-group. Their sound was more in the Spice Girls wave than anything hip-hop. They weren't TLC, 702, they weren't even Total or SWV. Their music was never R&B Soul, or that "new jack swing/funk"; they were always meant to be Pop...you can make a case for "No, No, No" which didn't break until Wylcef touched it. Their appearances on Silkk the Shocker's albums was their attempt but they realized they weren't gonna make it there.

Aaliyah was marketed as a younger Mary J. Hip-hop beats with some ballads mixed in. Even now, Beyonce caters to the Pop crowd. Kelly tried to go the route more towards Soul but....Anyway, they aren't/weren't the same type of artist, so you can't really compare their music. Beyonce doesn't look for or cater to the hip-hop crowd. That's why Monica and Brandy made their way into this discussion. Beyonce has to be compared to Gaga or Amy Winehouse (even though Winehouse was more Soul sound), Madonna, Brittney Spears. Brittney was more her peer than Aaliyah

This is exactly what I said a few pages back.

 

[Jone2three45]

Homeboy Runny-Ray you my guy dawg. I enjoy reading your posts. You have a grand knowledge on present and past r&b but it boggles me that you are fighting to the ends for Beyonce.

To make this clear,

Beyonce is no longer R&B/Soul. She is full pop. Compare her to Gaga or Madonna, and even against them she can't win.

Beyonce is the most popular current black female entertainer of all time, which is not saying much because there are not a lot of black female entertainers out now compared to previous decades. Their is no competion and no one to compare her too. She can easily take the title and run with it, just like
Jay-Z, Wayne or Ye can say that they are the best rapper of all time.

I honestly do not have any albums of hers, maybe a song or two.

I have an aaliyah album though.

Aaliyah should be compared to brandy and monica.

I would say Aaliyah has an edge between the two because her popularity did not die entering the 2000's like theirs did.

 

[Xerces]

that I feel one in a million is better then any beyonce song ever put out