Making Melo a lifer and waving at Felton in Rikers: Knicks offseason thread

[GatorStaceyAdams]

I am not saying its worth more than 11mm more than Felton.

What I am telling you is that Lin is a better PG than Felton. I have no doubt about that in my mind. The ball movement is nowhere near as good as when Lin was running the show. I have posted video proof about this. Lin is a much better distributor AND shooter than Felton.

I hope Jackson starts with a new PG immediately.

2013-2014
Lin
Assists- 4.1
Turnovers- 2.5

As a PG, that is an absolutely abysmal differential. Unless you are a shoot first ultra-athletic PG, that differential is unacceptable.

I am not saying Felton is great or even better than Lin. What I am saying is that in 2012-13: Felton had a PER of 15.5 vs Lins 14. 2013-2014- Lin had a PER of 14.4 vs Feltons 13. How you can say that Lin is ABSOLUTELY better, is just beyond me.

It comes down to $$, and Lin aint worth a 1mm more than an average PG. He damn sure aint worth 11mm more than an average PG

 

[Liquid]

2013-2014
Lin
Assists- 4.1
Turnovers- 2.5

As a PG, that is an absolutely abysmal differential. Unless you are a shoot first ultra-athletic PG, that differential is unacceptable.

I am not saying Felton is great or even better than Lin. What I am saying is that in 2012-13: Felton had a PER of 15.5 vs Lins 14. 2013-2014- Lin had a PER of 14.4 vs Feltons 13. How you can say that Lin is absolutely better, is just beyond me.

It comes down to $$, and Lin aint worth a 1mm more than an average PG. He damn sure aint worth 11mm more than an average PG

Again, who is saying Lin is worth his contract. There is a reason the Rockets did not have a fight with others for that contract.

All I am saying is that Lin > Felton based on what I was watching night in and night out on the knicks. The Knicks won 54 games because JR had a great season along with Melo, Chandler and coach Jason Kidd. They won that shyt in spite of Felton IMO...that's how trash I think he is.

That's all

 

[Victim of Racism]

He has the option this off-season to either opt in to the last year of his current deal or opt out, which he indicated since the beginning of the season he would, and from the looks of things the market is not that big for Melo this off-season, we have the Bulls, Rockets outside of the Knicks the Clippers option is dead and so is the Lakers with it coming out this week Dantoni is most likely coming back. Let's be 100 it's all about being courted by other teams hence the Diva comment I made, and you can't even say "well look at the season the Team had" because he said in October he was opting out his last year

With all due respect, your “diva” comment is stupid. He's a grown man and doesn't have to weigh his options when you want or tell him to. He can examine them now. I often wonder who some of you fans think you are to tell other people what to do. If I was under Dolan, I'd wanna be courted by other franchises too. He's put up with Dolan since 2010. And even if not because of Dolan, I'd want to examine my options any chance I got, just to put myself in a better position as soon as possible and not let the fans dictate when I do so. Who are you to tell him to wait another year? You haven't been carrying the team since 2010; 'Melo has. Dolan had ample time to significantly improve the franchise and he didn't until now (maybe). By being courted, he potentially sacrifices money that he's put himself in position to make because of all of his hard work in developing his game to such a high level, but still gets accused of being something negative. You guys are unbelievable.

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

Again, who is saying Lin is worth his contract. There is a reason the Rockets did not have a fight with others for that contract.

All I am saying is that Lin > Felton

That's all

And what I am saying is that Felton = Lin, so why pay any more for either of the two?

Which is why the contract is very important. You cannot bring up Jeremy Lin and how the Knicks would be 'this and that' with him, without bringing up his egregious contract

 

[JerseyFinest!]

With all due respect, your “diva” comment is stupid. He's a grown man and doesn't have to weigh his options when you want or tell him to. He can examine them now. I often wonder who some of you fans think you are to tell other people what to do. If I was under Dolan, I'd wanna be courted by other franchises too. He's put up with Dolan since 2010.

It's nothing stupid about the comment, you're right he's free to do anything but you have to put things in context....if he is serious about winning a ship as a KNICK opting in is the best scenario for the Team, and honestly probably for him also, I don't know that man personally so how am I telling him anything....I'm on a message board doing the same thing you doing, giving my opinion. Knicks lacked talent for the first couple of years of his tenure due to him not being patient and waiting till that off-season to sign him.

 

[Victim of Racism]

It's nothing stupid about the comment, you're right he's free to do anything but you have to put things in context....if he is serious about winning a ship as a KNICK opting in is the best scenario for the Team, and honestly probably for him also, I don't know that man personally so how am I telling him anything....I'm on a message board doing the same thing you doing, giving my opinion. Knicks lacked talent for the first couple of years of his tenure due to him not being patient and waiting till that off-season to sign him.

He doesn't have to be patient about anything. He's a grown man and if he wants to look for a trade to get out of his situation, he's free to do that. No one knows what he was going through in Denver. It's up to the front office to sign the talent. He could have went elsewhere that already had talent but he came to the Knicks. Dolan wanted to sign him. Dolan could have let him go. It's not 'Melo's fault the coaches don't coach defense (D'Antoni and Mike). It's not his fault they got rid of Billups. NY wasn't winnin' no ch'ip with the pieces that went to Denver. Especially since the biggest one blew a tire and hasn't played in at least 2 years. Not only that, none of this has anything to do with now. As I said, Dolan has had 4 years to significantly improve the team from coaching on down and he hasn't. NY has been trash for something like 13 out of the last 15 years, all while being the richest franchise in the NBA. They could have as many ch'ips as LA and Boston because of all that money but they don't. I know you want to blame 'Melo for everything but he's never been even one of the problems.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

He doesn't have to be patient about anything. It's up to the front office to sign the talent. He could have went elsewhere that already had talent but he came to the Knicks. Dolan wanted to sign him. Dolan could have let him go. It's not his fault the coaches don't coach defense. It's not his fault they got rid of Billups. NY wasn't winnin' no ch'ip with those pieces. Especially since the biggest one blew a tire.

You're glossing over the bolded...I'm speaking from the perspective as a Knicks fan. He came to NY for the Reasoning playing in the NY market takes his brand to another level, He has continually said he wants to win a ship as a KNICK. Now if he feels differently now then do what you have to do, but if it's about winning as a Knick that's the best case scenario

 

[Victim of Racism]

You're glossing over the bolded...I'm speaking from the perspective as a Knicks fan. He came to NY for the Reasoning playing in the NY market takes his brand to another level, He has continually said he wants to win a ship as a KNICK. Now if he feels differently now then do what you have to do, but if it's about winning as a Knick that's the best case scenario

How do you know that he came for his brand to be taken to another level? He could've came because he's from there. If it was all about that, why is there a possibility that he will leave? You're desperate for something to blame on the guy who has played at a higher level than any other Knick during his tenure and carried the team in the process. It's stupid. Just because you keep saying your demands are the best case scenario to win as a Knick, that doesn't make it true. Dolan has wasted 4 years where 'Melo could've won as a Knick. Who are you to tell him to be more patient? Be more patient, take less money; all these demands to a grown man.

 

[No Homo]

 

[Trip]

How do you know that he came for his brand to be taken to another level? He could've came because he's from there. If it was all about that, why is there a possibility that he will leave? You're desperate for something to blame on the guy who has played at a higher level than any other Knick during his tenure and carried the team in the process. It's stupid. Just because you keep saying your demands are the best case scenario to win as a Knick, that doesn't make it true. Dolan has wasted 4 years where 'Melo could've won as a Knick. Who are you to tell him to be more patient? Be more patient, take less money; all these demands to a grown man.

Melo has been heavily involved in coaching and personnel decisions.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Melo has been heavily involved in coaching and personnel decisions.

Kind of logic is this. That would be Dolan's fault even morese. It's not his job to depend on the players to tell him how to build a winning franchise. It's his job to know how to do it.

 

[Trip]

Kind of logic is this. That would be Dolan's fault even morese. It's not his job to depend on the players to tell him how to build a winning franchise.
It's his job to know how to do it.

Melo probably wouldnt have come here if he knew he wouldnt have full control of the franchise.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Melo probably wouldnt have come here if he knew he wouldnt have full control of the franchise.

Please. Dolan ain't givin' no one full control of anything of his.

 

[Trip]

Please. Dolan ain't givin' no one full control of anything of his.

Enough control. Melo has had a ton of influence since he's been here.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Enough control. Melo has had a ton of influence since he's been here.

Please. Dolan ain't givin' no one “enough control” of anything of his. Input, I could see. Control, no. I doubt, very seriously, that he asked Dolan to keep D'Antoni all those years when the 1st thing he said upon arriving (the presser) is that he wanted to see the team defend and later praised Woodson's defensive schemes. 'Melo didn't want Billups moved. Like he's gonna sabotage his chances to win by controlling personnel. All those old hires last season was Grunwald allowing a lot of input from his very good friend Mike Woodson. Most of the personnel moves didn't even appear to come from players because how weak they've been. They seemed like players sayin', “I don't know, I guess, you're the expert” at the most and not “go after so and so”. I don't even see players giving 100% approval to anyone but Tyson and Kidd. Your reach game is desperate, tho.