MANNIE FRESH VS SCOTT STORCH - TONIGHT - 9PM EST!!!!

[JustCKing]

I don't look at Neptunes & timbo as goat-level producers either. and scott storch is a lightweight version of them.
neptunes & timbo are amongst the pinnacle of mainstream super-producers, but theyre nowhere near my all-time top 10 hip-hop producers. hell, theyre more known for their r&b and pop stuff, and they got in the game via r&b production.

but the lines are so blurred now, its sickening.

mannie in my top 5-10 rap producers tho.

dr dre is up there, but with an asterisk next to his name.

go back & re-read my posts.

I was just saying that you called out the wrong guy.

basically what youre accusing me of doing.

but I wasn't necessarily arguing with you tho. just that one post.​

You got Mannie on a 5-10 Top Hip Hop producers, but exclude Timbaland and The Neptunes and have Dre with an asterisk next to his name, yet you want people to take your posts seriously?

Timbaland, and by extension, The Neptunes made what Mannie was doing acceptable. They literally changed Hip Hop production to the point where all these unorthodox styles and patterns were common place in Hip Hop production. Before them Hip Hop production was dominated by '80's Pop and R&B loops courtesy of the Trackmasters and Puffy & The Hitmen.

 

[JustCKing]

Don’t shyt on Neptune’s they got just as much hip hop bangers as RnB. I know it’s the cool thing to do but there’s nothing wrong with versatility. Them nikkas got hip hop CLASSICS under they belt. And they got in the game as Hip Hop producers. Not RnB. Their first placement was Rumpshaker.

The Neptunes didn't produce "Rumpshaker". Credits are shakey on the joint because Teddy is credited, but Ty Fyffe claims he did it.

 

[JustCKing]

I name dropped the song cause it’s a fukkin dope RnB record that a lot of people fukked with. I fukked a few bytches to that record. Y’all nikkas just be overcompensating. It’s not that serious.

That's the part that's funny. My only gripe with dropping R&B records in a battle is when it is put up against a hard Hip Hop joint. Then again, DJ's who do sets that have both, so it really isn't THAT big of a deal.

 

[Petty Crocker]

Mannie def didn’t run outta tracks to play... if anything, he definitely made some bad choices outta his selection though

the unreleased Wayne with the Alicia sample
Juvenile Rich Children
Mannie Real Big
Wayne Way of Life
Wayne Mahogany

should’ve been replaced with


Big Tymers #1 Stunna
Juvenile I Got That Fire
Big Tymers Big Ballin
Juvenile Set it Off
BG Cash Money is An Army

switch those 5 out and the order of the songs he played and it changes the complexity of the battle depending on how you’re judging it

he should still leak the CDQ of that Wayne track tho

Also who produced Playa Why Ya Hatin? Was it Mannie or was it DJ Paul & Juicy J?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

thats not what your original post said at all you said mannie was bigger on east coast than scott which is a joke since scott produced some of NYCs biggest hits in that era

no east coast poster is going to come in here and say mannie freshs music was bigger on east coast than poppin them thangs times up lean back candy shop ect lol and that was shown in the battle last night as relevance to NYC

its cool you like mannie bro im a fan too but that doesnt change the fact scott produced plenty huge east coast records as well as tons of other quality work from there

youre still doing the same chit. automatically thinking that storch has the east coast vote on the grounds that he has more of a home-field advantage. in your last post, you were droppin random mildly popular songs in hopes of illustrating your point. but it doesn't work like that.

who the f*ck on the east coast was bumpin "candy shop" in the streets?
you dudes is so fraudulent on here. just throwing chit at the wall and guessing.
and its okay to be wrong, but yall love to be obnoxious and mad extra about the chit. and its crazy cuz yall are the ones that don't even know what yall be talking about.

like I said, scott storch had a handful of classic bangers, but yall up here acting like he was swizz beatz or just blaze or some chit.
he had lean back, and a few other joints. I cant even think of 5 really, but im being generous. you keep mention "poppin them thangs". that chit was cool but not what youre pushing for.
meanwhile, mannie fresh was the sound of a historical movement that helped changed the landscape of the game. ITS LEVELS TO THIS CHIT.

he doesnt really have an accurate knowledge of the past it seems lol

and now youre trying to jump into any random side-argument that im having, searching for a friend.

maybe you should read the entire transcript before cosigning random posts.

You got Mannie on a 5-10 Top Hip Hop producers, but exclude Timbaland and The Neptunes and have Dre with an asterisk next to his name, yet you want people to take your posts seriously?

Timbaland, and by extension, The Neptunes made what Mannie was doing acceptable. They literally changed Hip Hop production to the point where all these unorthodox styles and patterns were common place in Hip Hop production. Before them Hip Hop production was dominated by '80's Pop and R&B loops courtesy of the Trackmasters and Puffy & The Hitmen.

Them this should have been a Scott Storch vs Jermaine Dupri

Not even sure what you were trying to say here, but y'all been to be honest about a lot of Scott Storch's songs and production -- he mostly made Now That's What I Call Music Vol 37 tracks, where they were good for the moment but you've never played them since they originally came out. Mannie made transcending bangers that were ahead of their time and still have replay value today. Out of this set-list Mannie and Scott played, you're not still playing more 2-3 today, and people are lying like crazy if they say otherwise.

THOSE HARSH REALITIES.

yep

this basically sums it up.

 

[NormanConnors]

Scott isn't even the only one on the keys on that songs. And people think that beat is just drums and keys, but the strings on that song are just as vital and the background keyboards.

Scott Storch is given way too much credit for "Still Dre". He's an integral part of why its dope, but Dre, Mel Man, Camara Kambon (also played keys on the song, but people never mention him) all made that beat happen.

how so

Yall approaching this like it's someone taking credit for another's verse/bars

Picking apart this battle the way yall are right now would qualify a large percentage of our jazz (the original music) legends as frauds.

If Stanley Clarke or Lee Ritenour had a battle and played tracks from Return To Forever and Fourplay respectively during their set, there would be no qualms at all

 

[spliz]

Huh?

Aretha has female empowerment anthems (Respect, Natural Woman) and is big in the gay community same as Diana and Bey

For the most part tho they sing about love, heart break, cheating nikkas etc same as most female artist including Minnie

Not sure why you are drawing the line

And your doing Diana Ross and the like a disservice by dismissing her music when she has classics like Endless Love and Love Hangover. Songs i know plenty of straight men enjoy. Younger generations have Beys Speechless, Myself and I, Be with You, etc

Good production and good vocals are appealing ....Good music is good music

Basically. nikkas don’t really fukk wit RnB like they claim tho. Not TRUE RnB anyway. nikkas is hip hop heads who like RnB as well. But not TRUE RnB heads like that.

 

[Danktoker94]

i guarantee that im flyer than you.
prolly look way younger than you
and I could easily walk off with your broad, if you ever even had one.

youre not even a real person.
@Jigganaut just asked you like 20 times where youre from. and you still ducking.

a lot of you dudes mane, I remember when people like yall hated hip-hop and were off listening to house & techno. now yall the main ones giving opinions on chit that aint even supposed to be for yall.

This nikkas feelings hurt

 

[spliz]

The Neptunes didn't produce "Rumpshaker". Credits are shakey on the joint because Teddy is credited, but Ty Fyffe claims he did it.

This is what THEY have claimed. So being that I wasn’t in the room. I don’t know. And can only take their word for it. Regardless. Them nikkas been droppin HIP HOP bangers since the 90s.

 

[spliz]

Neptunes are derivative as fukk. They are R&B guys moonlighting in rap same as Timbaland. Not even top 20.

Bullshyt. These nikkas got more street bangers than ALOT of straight up hip hop producers.

 

[spliz]

The nikka shouldn’t have accepted the challenge. Like I said. He would get exposed by Just Blaze as well. Because his main issue is he was stuck as an in house producer. Didn’t really get to branch out. Which is a shame but it is what it is.

 

[JustCKing]

Bullshyt. These nikkas got more street bangers than ALOT of straight up hip hop producers.

This.

What's crazy is that you have people who will discredit Timbo and The Neptunes for making radio joints, but they also have their street joints. A lot of the producers who get propped over them are unable to do BOTH. Like The Neptunes can do hard joints for The Clipse and then turn around give Nelly a "Hot In Herre". Timbaland can lace Jay Z with "Come And Get Me" or a "It's Hot" and turn around give him one of his biggest songs in "Big Pimpin".

 

[Hyman Roth]

I thought Scott won a close battle but the regional bias in the IG live chat was disgusting.

 

[Hyman Roth]

This.

What's crazy is that you have people who will discredit Timbo and The Neptunes for making radio joints, but they also have their street joints. A lot of the producers who get propped over them are unable to do BOTH. Like The Neptunes can do hard joints for The Clipse and then turn around give Nelly a "Hot In Herre". Timbaland can lace Jay Z with "Come And Get Me" or a "It's Hot" and turn around give him one of his biggest songs in "Big Pimpin".

100%.

Who's following up Grindin'?

 

[spliz]

This.

What's crazy is that you have people who will discredit Timbo and The Neptunes for making radio joints, but they also have their street joints. A lot of the producers who get propped over them are unable to do BOTH. Like The Neptunes can do hard joints for The Clipse and then turn around give Nelly a "Hot In Herre". Timbaland can lace Jay Z with "Come And Get Me" or a "It's Hot" and turn around give him one of his biggest songs in "Big Pimpin".

Basically. Dude I quoted was a disrespectful ass white boy tho. Those and people who try too hard are usually the ones who make comments like that. Meanwhile u got Premo himself along with other producers enjoying these battles and respecting the producers involved. I have a DJ background. So I couldn’t be on the bullshyt these cats be on if I wanted to. And it’s not even like Neptune’s are in my top 5. But they Def can be in anyone’s without a problem. I wouldn’t look at anyone with the side eye if they had them in theirs.