“Marcus Garvey was a fat tether”- The Honorable Tariq Nasheed

[Ish Gibor]

link me to it when you find it...

It was one if the podcasts, and Lurie does a lot. I am not listing to all. But it's like a needle in a haystack. She talks a lot, fast and for long time. I am not sure if I will be able to find it.

Maybe when I find time, I will speed up some of the podcasts I've heard.

 

[Geordi]

It's all about proportionswhat's 6000 afro-Haitain refugess vs 100K "Afram" slaves from the Upper South?

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...that's not even including the 10,000 AfroCreoles who were already in Louisiana

I was talking about New Orleans after the first wave of Haitian immigrants:

"Thousands of immigrants from the French colony of Saint Domingue made their way to New Orleans during and after the Haitian Revolution at the turn of the 19th century. In 1809 and 1810, ten thousand of these refugees came to New Orleans, doubling the city’s total population and nearly tripling the population of free people of color. "

Coming to New Orleans, Part II

After becoming part of the United States, Louisiana experienced an influx of Haitian, Irish, German, and Jewish immigrants.

hnoc.org

"The population grew from less than ten thousand in 1800 to over 150,000 in 1860. In the 1840s, New Orleans was second only to New York City in the number of immigrants residing in the city, and by 1850 more than 50 percent of New Orleans’s population was foreign-born. Immigrants from Europe and the Caribbean contributed to this massive population growth as well as cultural, political, architectural, and commercial development."

 

[Geordi]

They can, but if they are not one of us, we are not obligated to listen to them about our issues. We can also call them out on their BS, too. Something that would definitely happen in a foreign country if Black Americans went there and tried to tell the people there what they should be doing. I am pretty sure you know this fact too, when over on the continent, even not being in the same tribe will get you confronted for doing it.

Its everyone's right to agree or disagree with someone, nobody said you cant.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I was talking about New Orleans after the first wave of Haitian immigrants:

"Thousands of immigrants from the French colony of Saint Domingue made their way to New Orleans during and after the Haitian Revolution at the turn of the 19th century. In 1809 and 1810, ten thousand of these refugees came to New Orleans, doubling the city’s total population and nearly tripling the population of free people of color. "

Coming to New Orleans, Part II

After becoming part of the United States, Louisiana experienced an influx of Haitian, Irish, German, and Jewish immigrants.

hnoc.org

They slightly doubled the free colored but they didn't triple the total population

the 10,000 figure included white enslavers (white creoles)

"The population grew from less than ten thousand in 1800 to over 150,000 in 1860. In the 1840s, New Orleans was second only to New York City in the number of immigrants residing in the city, and by 1850 more than 50 percent of New Orleans’s population was foreign-born. Immigrants from Europe and the Caribbean contributed to this massive population growth as well as cultural, political, architectural, and commercial development."

Those immigrants by 1850 were actually Europeans, not Haitains/West Indians

Yes, by 1860, New Orleans was the most ethnically diverse city in the American South, with a foreign-born population that was unequaled in the region. While the exact percentage varied depending on the specific survey year, it was consistently very high throughout the 1850s, with some estimates for 1850 exceeding 50% and continuing at a similar, high volume into the 1860s, driven by Irish, German, and French immigration

Key Facts on 1860s New Orleans Immigration:

• Foreign-Born Population: In 1860, the census listed over 66,000 residents of Orleans Parish as having a foreign birthplace.
• Top Immigrant Groups: The largest immigrant groups in 1860 were Irish (over 24,000), German (nearly 20,000), and French (over 10,000).
• Second Only to New York: Between 1820 and 1860, the port of New Orleans was second only to New York City in the number of international arrivals, attracting over half a million immigrants in that period.

the origins of black immigrants from about 1850 to early 1900s


Louisiana "blacks" from 1850 to about 1920 came heavy from all over the Anglosphere-Southern USA.

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[Mugenight]

This is your brain on Tariq Nasheed folks.

We're not.


This is non arguable. This is non negotiable.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don’t know if that is accurate and actually the case.

I'm not saying that black foreigners at different points haven't gotten down with the Pan-Africanist agenda, I'm saying they haven't done anything that directly helped/benefited Aframs in the way Aframs did for them...

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America was remade thanks to the bodies and blood of African Americans -- whites and others also participated in the civil rights movement, of course, but, primarily, it was African Americans. The civil rights struggle, exemplified by the March on Washington, had revolutionary consequences. Part of its effect was near-term changes like passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the unsung but perhaps most effective anti-racist legislation of the period, the Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965, which, by allowing for immigration on a non-racial basis, put America on the path to being a majority-minority nation.

A Debt of Gratitude for the Civil Rights Movement | ACS


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Until the 1960s, this famous inscription which is found on the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor, the site where many immigrants arrived in America in the early 20th century, applied only to whites. But thanks to the country's Civil Rights Movement, among other factors, immigrants of all colors were welcomed into the country.


The civil rights struggle in the US gained attention worldwide and became "a stencil" for human rights revolution world wide, argues Thaufer al Deen. He says that when the movement gained momentum in the mid-20th century, there were two groups which were still lacking basic human rights: African-Americans and black South Africans.

"The Civil Rights Movement became the stencil by which the freedoms and the human rights of South Africans was achieved," he explains. "The stencil of Civil Rights Movement is to boycott economically. Through it, the tactic of economic sanctioning to force governments to recognize human rights began. Economic sanctions were used to enable others to achieve human rights."

"This concept of heightened awareness in the world to the Civil Rights Movement brought attention to what was happening to immigrants in US. People came from different parts of the world and settled here representing different cultures, beliefs and identities," he says.

"It caused an informal lobbying on the morality of federal legislators that this is an area that has to be looked at. Americans of different backgrounds, as well as those who were sympathetic or reacting politically because of the lobbying of their constituent groups fought so that the quota system was enlarged and different people were allowed come in."

Today, America's Muslims are enjoying the fruits of the civil rights struggle and its impact on the country's immigration laws. Were it not for the sacrifices of African-Americans and their supporters, it is highly unlikely that discrimination based on color and ethnicity would have changed in America. Many of the Muslims who came to study, work and later establish their families in this country could simply not have done so had US immigration laws retained their discriminatory nature.

How the civil rights movement affected US immigration | SoundVision.com







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The UK always had a strong Pan African movement. The UK had WindRush, a period where Blacks in the UK literally would go into physical fights for social equality. We also saw that happen during the George Floyd riots, in the UK, where Blacks in the UK went to the streets confronting the far right white nationalists groups. And they did whoop them asses!

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The Amazing Lost Legacy of the British Black Panthers

Afro Think Thank - The 4th and 5th Pan African Congress

You might not be aware of it, but those Pan African Congress meetings go back to Henry Mcneal Turner (1893)

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the same Afram who was with Mcneal Turner in 1893 Chicago meeting

Bishop Alexander Walters was the first president. Henry Sylvester Williams was the secretary. In short, the African Association was concerned with raising awareness among the British public about the truth – i.e. the horrors – Africans in the British Empire suffered so that the government would be moved to fix them. Not wanting to put their public off from all the serious talk, other meetings and social events were held. The society was so successful in its self-set task that in 1898 Liberal party members encouraged the African Association to put forward MPs to forward their cause and advocate in parliament for people in the colonies. Keir Hardie, the Independent Labour Party’s first MP, would become a long-time friend to the organisation.

The Adventures of a Victorian Troublemaker: Henry Sylvester Williams | Afropean – Adventures in Black Europe: your guide to the Afro European diaspora and beyond

 

[IllmaticDelta]

When I looked into Garvey years back and found out he never went to Africa and was promoting a back to Africa movement I was baffled

I was more surprised with him being a pen pal of a KKK member, which for the early 1920's is insane as they were terrorizing black American throughout the south. My mom was really big into the black power movement and instilled it into us when growing up which I am very thankful for. But anytime a discussion of Garvey came up she just hit the every time. I know why now

All of the big Back-to-Africa/Pan-Africanist of AfroAmerica in the 1800s/early 1900s went to Africa



Paul Cuffee (1759–1817), a wealthy Black Quaker ship captain, pioneered the Back-to-Africa movement by leading voyages to Sierra Leone to establish a free Black colony and trading post. He personally financed a 1815 expedition, transporting 38 African Americans to Freetown to build a new life, acting on his belief that true freedom required economic independence


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Martin Delany (1812–1885), a pioneering Black nationalist and abolitionist, traveled to West Africa (specifically Liberia and Nigeria) in 1859–1860 to explore possibilities for African American emigration and settlement. He established a treaty with African chieftains in Abeokuta (modern-day Nigeria) before returning to the U.S. to participate in the Civil War.

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Bishop Henry McNeal Turner (1834–1915), a prominent AME Church leader and Black Nationalist born free in South Carolina, advocated for emigration to Africa due to US racism. He traveled to Africa four times between 1891 and 1898 to establish AME missions, promoting West and South Africa as places for black independence. Bishop Henry McNeal Turner, a prominent 19th-century AME Church leader and proponent of Black nationalism, traveled to Africa four times between 1891 and 1898. He visited Liberia, Sierra Leone, and South Africa to establish AME conferences and promote emigration as a solution to American white supremacy. Turner documented his 1891 trip in African Letters.

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Henry Highland Garnet (1815–1882) was a prominent African American abolitionist and educator, born into slavery in Kent County, Maryland. He escaped to the North in 1824 and, late in life, fulfilled a dream to visit Africa by serving as the U.S. Minister to Liberia in 1881, where he died shortly after arrival


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Alexander Crummell (1819–1898), an influential African-American Episcopal minister and intellectual, moved to Liberia in 1853, where he lived and worked for 20 years. As a missionary, educator, and professor at Liberia College

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W.E.B. Du Bois (1868–1963) was born in Great Barrington, Massachusett, relocated to Ghana in 1961 at age 93, accepting President Kwame Nkrumah’s invitation to edit the Encyclopedia Africana. He became a Ghanaian citizen in 1963, renouncing his US citizenship after travel restrictions. Du Bois died in Accra on August 27, 1963, and was buried there, highlighting his lifelong commitment to Pan-Africanism


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Garvey is the only who was out here

 

[HarlemHottie]

Interesting how they're STILL trying to divide us based on colorism.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Marcus Garvey Blvd in Brooklyn




Marcus Garvey Park in Harlem






Educated and well informed Black people (who actually go outside and make things happen) from 2 of the Blackest boroughs of NYC pushed for Garvey's name to reign indefinitely in the psyche of the masses within in the city as proper acknowledgement. Meanwhile the negative comments towards Garvey in this thread will be forgotten in a few days.

Meanwhile...In the real world. Marcus Garvey has two schools named after him in NYC.


PS 44 Marcus Garvey in Brooklyn





The Garvey School in The Bronx




Black parents from all over my city have enrolled their beautiful Black children into a school named after one of Black America's most prominent trailblazers. Black parents from my city approve of having teachers from a school named after Marcus Garvey, mold their seeds in preparation for them to be the future of the world. But you would think by some of the comments made by powerless individuals in this thread, that Black Parents would be offended that such schools exists and would have boycotts to have them removed.


Mind you, this is just NYC. There are numerous schools across America named after Marcus Garvey. Obviously, on a grand scale, Black America has no issue enrolling their beautiful Black children into a school named after Marcus Garvey and none of the negative comments in this thread will change that as a reality.

That's your response?



What part of "There are numerous schools across America named after Marcus Garvey" did you not understand?


Lets keep going then, shall we....

Marcus Garvey Elementary in Los Angeles




Marcus Garvey Academy in Detroit




Marcus Garvey elementary in Chicago






All the Black people in these cities don't know any better either huh?


If they didn't know any better like you claim, where is the uproar in the streets and online from Black people who "so called" know better, against naming schools in America after Garvey? Oh yeah, that's right...it doesn't exist.

Just a reminder to all you retards that actually need this clown to tell you how to think and feel.

The real world doesnt give a fukk about yalls fringe anti-immigrant, self loathing bigotry towards pretty much all black people. Yalls attempts to undermine or erase all Caribbeans and Africans from black history like the wannabe cacs yall are aint catching on. Garvey will be remembered and honored across every black community as one of our finest leaders and teachers. The red black and green flag will continue to be proudly flown across every black community. And no one will remember "FBA" or "Tariq Nasheed" for shyt other than being a useless black MAGA farm for deranged c00n cowards who cant even accept being of African descent.

No reparations. Not even a shot at the conversation under this climate. And black people have less rights in 2026 than before your bullshyt mouth breathing psyop movement began. FBA is easily the most useless black "movement" in human history. Just a bunch of self important morons regurgitating the same shyt like a cult. Yall aint got NO PLACE to question Garvey when your leaders are trash c00n former pimp Trump supporters and shyt.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Interesting how they're STILL trying to divide us based on colorism.

Lipstickalley and Garvey got/have a lot in common

 

[HarlemHottie]

Lipstickalley and Garvey got/have a lot in common

Kinda let's you know who's posting over there, don't it? That may be what threw me off about them.

Ftr, while we do have a Marcus Garvey Park in Harlem, I've never met not a single native who called it that. It's Mt Morris until they gentrify us all out, then the wp and the Africans can call it whatever they want.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Just a reminder to all you retards that actually need this clown to tell you how to think and feel.

The real world doesnt give a fukk about yalls fringe anti-immigrant, self loathing bigotry towards pretty much all black people. Yalls attempts to undermine or erase all Caribbeans and Africans from black history like the wannabe cacs yall are aint catching on. Garvey will be remembered and honored across every black community as one of our finest leaders and teachers. The red black and green flag will continue to be proudly flown across every black community. And no one will remember "FBA" or "Tariq Nasheed" for shyt other than being a useless black MAGA farm for deranged c00n cowards who cant even accept being of African descent.

No reparations. Not even a shot at the conversation under this climate. And black people have less rights in 2026 than before your bullshyt mouth breathing psyop movement began. FBA is easily the most useless black "movement" in human history. Just a bunch of self important morons regurgitating the same shyt like a cult. Yall aint got NO PLACE to question Garvey when your leaders are trash c00n former pimp Trump supporters and shyt.

SYBAU. The real world don't care but Kamala echoing talking points.

Kamala be watching Tariq like

 

[Ish Gibor]

I'm not saying that black foreigners at different points haven't gotten down with the Pan-Africanist agenda, I'm saying they haven't done anything that directly helped/benefited Aframs in the way Aframs did for them...

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A Debt of Gratitude for the Civil Rights Movement | ACS


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How the civil rights movement affected US immigration | SoundVision.com







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You might not be aware of it, but those Pan African Congress meetings go back to Henry Mcneal Turner (1893)

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the same Afram who was with Mcneal Turner in 1893 Chicago meeting

The Adventures of a Victorian Troublemaker: Henry Sylvester Williams | Afropean – Adventures in Black Europe: your guide to the Afro European diaspora and beyond

I don't know if it is most or not, or what the actual stats are, but apparently 2nd and 3rd generation Black immigrants become Black Americans who integrate into African American (FBA) society. As is stated by Garrison Hayes. Btw, I disagree with the statement that Kamala Harris is a "Black woman", but that is just my opinion.

 

[Ish Gibor]

SYBAU. The real world don't care but Kamala echoing talking points.

Kamala be watching Tariq like

Of course Dems keep an eye on those with influence in the Black community.

Tariq has been on Fox, VladTV, The Breakfast Club etc... many other outlets he was on, or talked about him...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

A Black American c00n agent backdoored him.

It was actually West Indians that got Garvey booted from the USA

Cyril Briggs is the one who gathered the information to take down Garvey

the agent you posted above even confirmed this along with WEST INDIANS such as Domingo:

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they called him out for fuking with the KKK

They openly admitted they were the ones that got him jailed and were happy when he was booted