“Marcus Garvey was a fat tether”- The Honorable Tariq Nasheed

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If you don’t know how AI works, just ask.

It’s based on prompts. Prompts are assignments that requests agents. These agents are trained robots to gather information and data.

I am not AI, so I wasn’t aware, nor did I prompt any of the suggestions that was posted by @IllmaticDelta.

I prompted for basic information, so basic information was provided. It doesn’t make it inaccurate, it makes it basic.

I could create a comprehensive summary with what was posted, and it could scan the entirety of books, let it make a summary of this and ask it to add other sources, to verify.

I haven’t done this… but could…

What @IllmaticDelta posted is actually in support of what was prompted.

I don’t run from the machines, I run towards the machines
 
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Nah fukk that you can´t post novels saying but but they did it too There´s cowards in every community and if you try to prentend they´re not that´s the epidome of smart dumb nikka thinking. It´s good to ride for your tribe but lets not be stupid about shyt.



:dahell:The facts are the facts,.. West Indians of the period admitted THEY were the ones who got Garvey caught up. Even Africans were like:childplease:


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I try not be anti my own people but the simple fact is if for the where your family from mob If your family lived in Hard time Mississippi the compromises your ancestors had to make up an until the late sixites where amazing apparently the first time a cracker raped a Black Maid was in 1969 and in that case she lost.

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But I don´t want to go crazy on that but suffice it to say every single slave rebellion in the united states failed because an FBA c00n told on them. That´s not because FBA´s are c00ns in way Haitians were not

There were plenty of Haitian c00ns




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they just didn´t have the overwhelming numbers nor did they have the rememberance of resistance because most Slaves where born in America compared to Slaves in the West Indies and if you were particularly rebellious They sold you to the West Indies.

The real reason was because of the ratio of blacks to whites. I hate to give American Cacs credit for not being dumb enough to swamp themselves in a sea of black slaves, where if anything popped off, they wouldn't be outnumbered:beli:Caribbean Cacs on the other hand, were dumb as hell:huhldup:


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In the Caribbean, the slaves lived on huge plantations where it was easy to build a large team when they wanted to revolt; afram slaves on the other hand, live on small little farms that were spaced out with very few slaves; which made it harder to build a force, when they thought about rebelling






Living and Working Conditions
Life on a small farm differed significantly from the plantation experience, often characterized by more intense personal interaction and isolation:
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  • Working Side-by-Side: On small farms, enslaved people frequently worked directly alongside their enslavers in the fields, as the farmer did not have enough labor to act purely as a manager.
  • Isolation and Loneliness: Enslaved individuals on small farms often lived in the same building as their enslavers—frequently in kitchens, attics, or basements—rather than in a larger enslaved community. This made it difficult to find spouses or build social networks.
  • Increased Scrutiny: While large plantations used overseers, small-farm slavery meant constant, direct surveillance by the enslaver. This often led to higher levels of personal psychological pressure and less privacy.


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Haiti had 500K blacks/mulattos vs 32,000 whites....

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If you can't get a successful uprising with that kind of population advantage, you were meant to be a slave:hubie:


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West Indies = slaves heavily outnumbered whites, and were allowed to congregate on huge plantations with very little supervision, which made it easier to storm/attack whites with huge crowds of slaves


USA = whites heavily outnumbered slaves,while being able to watch them closely as they were in small numbers on spaced out farms, which reduced the ability to attack whites with large crowds of slaves



That´s the essentail issue with calling yourself FBA It means that you consider yourself the same as cacs born of this land you call yourself American.

No, FBAs are identifying with the land of their immediate ethnogenesis...they just so happen to be there because, white people imported their ancestors there...the same way Euros were in the Carribean before they imported Africans, the ancestors of modern-day West Indians, the same way those same West Indians, NOW take pride, in being from those lands that white people brought them to asthey had their respective ethnogenesis:sas2:





European arrival in Haiti began on December 6, 1492, when Christopher Columbus landed on the northern coast of the island of Hispaniola during his first voyage, claiming it for Spain. Columbus named the island La Isla Española, which was inhabited by the Taíno people. This marked the beginning of colonization, indigenous genocide, and the introduction of slavery

Enslaved Africans were first imported to Hispaniola (modern-day Haiti and Dominican Republic) by the Spanish in the early 16th century, with records showing arrivals around 1502–1517 to replace the rapidly dying Taíno population. These first Africans were forced into labor, largely for gold mining, before the colony later transitioned to sugar and coffee production under French rule


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European arrival in Jamaica began with Christopher Columbus, who landed on May 5, 1494, during his second voyage, claiming the island for Spain. Spanish colonization followed, establishing the first settlement at Sevilla la Nueva in 1509. In 1655, the British captured the island, leading to a major transformation in the economy and population

Africans arrived in Jamaica primarily through the transatlantic slave trade, starting with the Spanish in 1513–1517 and accelerating under British rule (1655–1807), bringing over 1 million enslaved people. Primarily from West and Central Africa (Akan, Igbo, Yoruba), they built the plantation economy, formed Maroons, and now constitute the majority of Jamaican ancestry

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European contact with Barbados began in the early 16th century, likely with Spanish explorers, followed by the Portuguese in the 1500s who named it Os Barbados. However, the first permanent English settlement was established on February 17, 1627, at Holetown by Captain Henry Powell, following an initial landing in May 1625

Between 1627 and 1833, approximately 387,000 to 600,000 enslaved Africans were forcibly brought to Barbados, primarily from West Africa (Gold Coast, Bight of Benin/Biafra) to fuel the booming sugar plantation economy. Early arrivals began around 1627, and by 1660, the population shifted to a Black majority, making Barbados a central hub of British slave society

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so on and so on:mjpls:



To me saying We built this country is kind of a L itself one thing is for certain we have struggled to build and maintain are own institutions granted it´s easier to do that when you´re 90% or more of the land you occupy.


It's an L for you for even thinking/uttering that:aicmon:
 
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A couple of assessments I have made about this thread:


This thread is a Marcus Garvey hate thread (On a website where people stress this is a Black website :snoop: )



Now every post I have made in this thread is in regards to the fact that Black people (especially FBA's) have acknowledged Garvey in various monumental ways across America and the globe, yet when ever someone would make a debating reply in regards to that fact, each and every person told a lie that got exposed with actual documented proof.


Every person who challenged what I said lied.


But not only that....their lies got co signs.


The first major lie made in regards to me pointing out facts was when one poster lied about the demographics of Black cities all because I pointed out there was schools named after Garvey there. And that lie got a bunch of co signs. And every opposing comment after that was a response with a lie that also got co signs while the lie being exposed got ignored.



So basically, it's a Garvey hate thread and if you don't join the circle jerk they will co sign a lie when a fact is presented.

That in itself is not a good representation of having an evolved objective dialogue and it confirms that attempting to have a serious dialogue on this site about topics of such nature is a joke and pointless. :ehh:
 
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The first major lie made in regards to me pointing out facts was when one poster lied about the demographics of Black cities all because I pointed out there was schools named after Garvey there. And that lie got a bunch of co signs. And every opposing comment after that was a response with a lie that also got co signs while the lie being exposed got ignored.
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Along with "Garvey didn't get support above Florida."

Bad enough they parrot Hoover created propoganda 100 years later, I dont get why these dudes came with some raggedy ass LIES.

This is when you know you're in a space where for some its more important to "win a coli debate" than to learn from each other. And these are people who know in their heart of hearts they NEVER did any homework or had any intellectual curiosity regarding Garvey at any point of their natural lives prior to this discussion.

Their need to win online arguments is more important to them than their supposed love for Black people.
 
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:dahell:The facts are the facts,.. West Indians of the period admitted THEY were the ones who got Garvey caught up. Even Africans were like:childplease:


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There were plenty of Haitian c00ns




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Boyer


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The real reason was because of the ratio of blacks to whites. I hate to give American Cacs credit for not being dumb enough to swamp themselves in a sea of black slaves, where if anything popped off, they wouldn't be outnumbered:beli:Caribbean Cacs on the other hand, were dumb as hell:huhldup:


DDMUtZ7.png





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In the Caribbean, the slaves lived on huge plantations where it was easy to build a large team when they wanted to revolt; afram slaves on the other hand, live on small little farms that were spaced out with very few slaves; which made it harder to build a force, when they thought about rebelling









VjaPjbU.jpeg


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jxZAbVV.png


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Haiti had 500K blacks/mulattos vs 32,000 whites....

9RiMk8V.jpg


atg-studiocapa.gif


If you can't get a successful uprising with that kind of population advantage, you were meant to be a slave:hubie:


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in summary:





West Indies = slaves heavily outnumbered whites, and were allowed to congregate on huge plantations with very little supervision, which made it easier to storm/attack whites with huge crowds of slaves


USA = whites heavily outnumbered slaves,while being able to watch them closely as they were in small numbers on spaced out farms, which reduced the ability to attack whites with large crowds of slaves





No, FBAs are identifying with the land of their immediate ethnogenesis...they just so happen to be there because, white people imported their ancestors there...the same way Euros were in the Carribean before they imported Africans, the ancestors of modern-day West Indians, the same way those same West Indians, NOW take pride, in being from those lands that white people brought them to asthey had their respective ethnogenesis:sas2:





European arrival in Haiti began on December 6, 1492, when Christopher Columbus landed on the northern coast of the island of Hispaniola during his first voyage, claiming it for Spain. Columbus named the island La Isla Española, which was inhabited by the Taíno people. This marked the beginning of colonization, indigenous genocide, and the introduction of slavery

Enslaved Africans were first imported to Hispaniola (modern-day Haiti and Dominican Republic) by the Spanish in the early 16th century, with records showing arrivals around 1502–1517 to replace the rapidly dying Taíno population. These first Africans were forced into labor, largely for gold mining, before the colony later transitioned to sugar and coffee production under French rule


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European arrival in Jamaica began with Christopher Columbus, who landed on May 5, 1494, during his second voyage, claiming the island for Spain. Spanish colonization followed, establishing the first settlement at Sevilla la Nueva in 1509. In 1655, the British captured the island, leading to a major transformation in the economy and population

Africans arrived in Jamaica primarily through the transatlantic slave trade, starting with the Spanish in 1513–1517 and accelerating under British rule (1655–1807), bringing over 1 million enslaved people. Primarily from West and Central Africa (Akan, Igbo, Yoruba), they built the plantation economy, formed Maroons, and now constitute the majority of Jamaican ancestry

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European contact with Barbados began in the early 16th century, likely with Spanish explorers, followed by the Portuguese in the 1500s who named it Os Barbados. However, the first permanent English settlement was established on February 17, 1627, at Holetown by Captain Henry Powell, following an initial landing in May 1625

Between 1627 and 1833, approximately 387,000 to 600,000 enslaved Africans were forcibly brought to Barbados, primarily from West Africa (Gold Coast, Bight of Benin/Biafra) to fuel the booming sugar plantation economy. Early arrivals began around 1627, and by 1660, the population shifted to a Black majority, making Barbados a central hub of British slave society

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so on and so on:mjpls:






It's an L for you for even thinking/uttering that:aicmon:
Dog all that to the side you can´t think that were someone happened to be born affects who they are as a person. That´s like nikkas from Brownsville saying Never Ran Never will because I´m from Brownville I mean we joke on the Coli about being from Harlem or non Harlem but you don´t really think that nikkas from Queens are gay do you?


So I assume that you don´t just assume that Haitians are c00ns or FBA´s are trustworthy just because of an accident of birth. You don´t need a billion links to answer that.
 

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:laff:

Along with "Garvey didn't get support above Florida."


Dude, I don't tell lies or make blanket statements w/o receipts! Here goes his UNIA members exact numbers within the South circa 1926-1928:jbhmm:

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His support/UNIA membership was by far, bigger in Florida, than anywhere else in the South:whoo:


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Here are the raw numbers of the black populations in the South circa 1920s...I displayed the membership numbers of listed states on the UNIA graphics vs the raw "Black" population numbers amongst the South, in the period in question:pachaha:


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Like I said, the support was minimal across the South and was mainly in Florida...the correlation to a higher membership in Florida as opposed to the other states in the South, is clearly because of the high(er) West Indian/Caribbean population that existed there (just like most of his supporters overall were Northern-living West indians; not Aframs)

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Dude, I don't tell lies or make blanket statements w/o receipts! Here goes his UNIA members exact numbers within the South circa 1926-1928:jbhmm:

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His support/UNIA membership was by far, bigger in Florida, than anywhere else in the South:whoo:


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Here are the raw numbers of the black populations in the South circa 1920s...I displayed the membership numbers of listed states on the UNIA graphics vs the raw "Black" population numbers amongst the South, in the period in question:pachaha:


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Like I said, the support was minimal across the South and was mainly in Florida...the correlation to a higher membership in Florida as opposed to the other states in the South, is clearly because of the high(er) West Indian/Caribbean population that existed there (just like most of his supporters overall were Northern-living West indians; not Aframs)

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I'm not bothering to pull up quotes from the rural southerners, and chapter heads I read speak on their love for Garvey. I'm not going to pull up screenshots of Dubios lamenting on the love got from Southerners he didn't receive. That's because I'm not a screenshot "gotcha" on the internet hisotrian.

I read books, not search for screenshots to nourish my bias. I mentioned the chapters they had all over the country. over 700 and you think it's all big cities and west indians. smh
 

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You LIED saying this:



That is a LIE.

  • The Deep South: Significant presence in states like Arkansas, Georgia, and Mississippi. In Georgia alone, divisions were formed in dozens of towns including Adel, Atlanta, Brunswick, and Moultrie.
  • Appalachia: Kentucky had at least 11 divisions, including rural mining towns like Benham and Coxton.
So because you screenshot West Indians protesting for him suddenly means he had no presence in the south? :mjlol:

His presence in the South wasn't that big...it was mostly smoke & mirrors based on mere existence of Chapters. You only needed 7 people to start a UNIA chapter :pachaha: ...and in the expansive South, where most AFrams lived, Garvey wasn't really having any impact and it showed up in his confirmable UNIA membership numbers


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I'm not bothering to pull up quotes from the rural southerners, and chapter heads I read speak on their love for Garvey. I'm not going to pull up screenshots of Dubios lamenting on the love got from Southerners he didn't receive. That's because I'm not a screenshot "gotcha" on the internet hisotrian.

I read books, not search for screenshots to nourish my bias. I mentioned the chapters they had all over the country. over 700 and you think it's all big cities and west indians. smh

OH, you can't refute the facts, I see:russ: See my above post about UNIA chapters :pachaha: It's generally accepted that Garvey was inflating his numbers on just how widespread his membership/movement actually, was.
 

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OH, you can't refute the facts, I see:russ: See my above post about UNIA chapters :pachaha: It's generally accepted that Garvey was inflating his numbers on just how widespread his membership/movement actually, was.
Where is the lie?
How many questions have you asked me? You have never researched the man. It's all screenshot gotcha for you and wanting to end as Tariq taught you. You already agree with what Hoover trained you to parrot.

AgaIn...it's all about winning a coli debate for you.
 

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I'm not bothering to pull up quotes from the rural southerners, and chapter heads I read speak on their love for Garvey. I'm not going to pull up screenshots of Dubios lamenting on the love got from Southerners he didn't receive. That's because I'm not a screenshot "gotcha" on the internet hisotrian.

I read books, not search for screenshots to nourish my bias. I mentioned the chapters they had all over the country. over 700 and you think it's all big cities and west indians. smh
A good portion of the info is coming STRAIGHT OUT OF BOOKS though :dead:

I dont even need that though. Just being FBA, i know on a socio-cultural level, people in the south wouldn't have been fukking with him like that
 
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