@Matt504 wants to explain why he wants Black people to be sterilized

[Matt504]

You have to get at the women. Family formation is a female responsibility. You can't give incentives to government assistance and single parent homes and then be surprised when people dont form families.

Incentives drive behavior.

Give incentives for behavior you approve of and consequences for those you don't.

What are some of the consequences you'd propose?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

What are some of the consequences you'd propose?

Nothing.

We would do nothing.

No child support. No government assistance. No snap. Just nothing.

Maybe reduced kid lunch at school and hospital visits.

Besides that zero. Make the situation so untenable that other people
when seeing it.

If you got a bunch of kids there's some dude working like a Mexican to support them. Voluntary child support only. None of the court mandated shyt.

 

[Taadow]

What's the benefit in leaving a child's life to society when we as a whole will never love and raise that kid as our own? Child rearing is an immense responsibility that requires a lot of sacrifice. Why are we comfortable in letting adults skirt that responsibility?

With this train of thought - why should anybody have children at all?

 

[Matt504]

Nothing.

We would do nothing.

No child support. No government assistance. No snap. Just nothing.

Maybe reduced kid lunch at school and hospital visits.

Besides that zero. Make the situation so untenable that other people
when seeing it.

If you got a bunch of kids there's some dude working like a Mexican to support them. Voluntary child support only. None of the court mandated shyt.

this puts the existing children at an extreme disadvantage, their welfare has a single point of failure. If a parent decides to abandon their child, that person is free to start a new family with no obligations to the children they've already created.

 

[Pimpdaddy]

With this train of thought - why should anybody have children at all?

I don't get that either

You have to pay a lot of money, lose your freedom and you're cuffed to a bytch for your whole life

Couldnt be me

 

[Wildhundreds]

You have to get at the women. Family formation is a female responsibility. You can't give incentives to government assistance and single parent homes and then be surprised when people dont form families.

Incentives drive behavior.

Give incentives for behavior you approve of and consequences for those you don't.

That's reinforced by fathers..

 

[analog]

One of the consequences of sterilization is the fact that if a person is doing better in the future, a permanent decision has been made about their ability to bring forth children. This concern could be mitigated by freezing sperm or eggs and bringing forth a child by means of artificial insemination.

In my estimation, there are no real benefits of letting the cards fall where they may when it comes to children because what they experience in childhood largely shapes who they will grow into as adults. We're comfortable with letting adults skirt this responsibility because we're largely unwilling to explore alternatives, "this is the way it's been happening so why change things"

I was thinking the ceiling would be set at two or three kids, so that way there's no risk of someone going childless for the remainder of their life, just focus effort, and resources into the existing ones. But adding the sperm/egg freezing on top of that would be viable as well.

I remember reading sometime back about the decreased fertility rates in developed nations due to easier access to birth control, and the cost of living being too high to be able to afford children. Accessible education and opportunities in the workforce also result in women having children later in life, and fewer. Poor countries on the other hand are having tons of kids for the exact opposite reason: no birth control, and lack of education/opportunities for women. Hmm... now that I think about it this is just a result of Govt cutting education budgets, job losses @ middle, and lower classes effectively producing a third world demographic within a first world country. Easy answer would be to address these under lying problems, but that's highly improbable given the state of government... well, damn... I just turned more pessimistic 'cause I can't see things improving at least in the near future.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

this puts the existing children at an extreme disadvantage, their welfare has a single point of failure. If a parent decides to abandon their child, that person is free to start a new family with no obligations to the children they've already created.

There is no neat solution to this. Yes current children take a L. Hopefully the next generation adapts to the environment.

If a parent abandons the child take them and put them in a state run boarding school like the one in India for the untouchables. Garner both parents wages for upkeep of the school. Like child support to the government.

 

[analog]

With this train of thought - why should anybody have children at all?

I'd leave that up to those that want children to answer that question.

 

[Wildin]

We seriously gonna debate whether or not people should have kids?

We gonna overlook people who were raised poor and either sought to change their position or just naturally did better in life than their parents and succeeded?

shyt if that's the case we will have to reform immigration, no kids and you can't have them until you meet a certain income threshold.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

That's reinforced by fathers..

Explain

 

[Matt504]

There is no neat solution to this. Yes current children take a L. Hopefully the next generation adapts to the environment.

If a parent abandons the child take them and put them in a state run boarding school like the one in India for the untouchables. Garner both parents wages for upkeep of the school. Like child support to the government.

you support the idea of mandated child support in a scenario where the child isn't living with one of their biological children but don't support it in the case where a child lives with one parent and the other has left, why is this?

 

[Eddy Gordo]

you support the idea of mandated child support in a scenario where the child isn't living with one of their biological children but don't support it in the case where a child lives with one parent and the other has left, why is this?

Living with one parent while receiving support provides an incentive against family formation. It's a fact that having both parents in the home has positive benefits towards children even in cases of lower socioeconomic status.

If both parents stand to lose custody and money, it provides incentive at bare minimum to work together for the child's best interest to protect themselves.

If both them might lose money/custody due to the other, people would at least consider responsibility somewhere before the kid got there.

 

[Wildhundreds]

Explain

Fathers bring stability to a household..

It makes a mother's job less difficult if the biological father is present in the household..

Since op brings up responsibility in this post, i thought i would as well.. Sterilization aside..

 

[Eddy Gordo]

Fathers bring stability to a household..

It makes a mother's job less difficult if the biological father is present in the household..

Since op brings up responsibility in this post, i thought i would as well.. Sterilization aside..

I see what you saying.

But... We skipping steps
From the jump
Is it not a womans job to choose a stable responsible man to be the father of her children.