Max Kellerman: "LeBron created a Superteam with Miami. KD just raised him one"

[Biscayne]

LeBron is the second best player of all time.

I agree...

I've said this since he beat GS in 2016...



His stans and his haters just love using absolutes though. Its hard for them to concede that he played on a superteam, because of their anger at KD. They feel KD one upping LeBron isnt fair, so they think discrediting KD's legitimacy during every title run from here on out is doing LeBron's legacy a service. LeBron played on a superteam and he went to Cleveland and beat a 73 win Warrior's team and cemented himself as the 2nd greatest player of alltime. Those two facts can coexist.

 

[JYoung24]

Wade was outplayed by Russ in the 2012 finals. Bosh didn't even start every game. LeBron carried them niccas in 2012-2014.



Everything else I agree. Even though the Mavs are being undersold, the Heat should've won simply by having the GOAT on they squad, but without that finals loss you don't see the monster LeBron that beat perhaps the greatest team in NBA history down 3-1 or score 16 straight points in the fourth quarter to beat the Spurs or lead the NBA all time in game winners in the playoffs.


Now what else I don't agree with is you saying I hold animosity towards the Warriors. Far from it. I like Curry and Thompson and respect that they were homegrown. What I will never respect as an athlete and competitor is Durant joining them after closing 3-1 the year before. That's hoe made. No animosity what so ever towards Warriors or Warriors fans.

If Gronk or Ezekial Elliot wanted to come to Philly what's good though

Lebron is not the goat

 

[JYoung24]

Wade was the 2nd best player in the east at that time.

1st best player

 

[ELESDEE616]

Lebron is not the goat

Negged

 

[JYoung24]

LeBron is the second best player of all time.

Hell no

 

[Brief Keef]

KD and bron's goal was the same to make winning championships easier only difference was

#1 KD left his mans Sabo hanging

#2 joined a team he was up 3-1 against and lost

#3 KD didnt have beef with the warriors Bron had beef with Loston so he never would of joined them regardless

i think another reason bron went to mia is because right before bron caught that L to boston Wade caught the fade too Bron was prob sit there like nah man we gotta stop this shyt

 

[Teko]

this is what it is

2011 wade is better than any version of steph curry. the problem is that wade lasted only 1 year.

Current steph >> 2012-2014 wade

yeah bron is better than kd.

Draymon is better than any heat player besides the big 3 along with klay and they're what solitifies the warriors.

Imagine the heat in 2011 having current green (superstar system role player) and klay instead of joel anythony and bibby for that mavs series.

Bosh/ Chandler
Green/ Dirk
Lebron/ Peja
Klay/ Stevenson
Wade/ Wade

miami would've swept that series.

Now give anthony and bibby to the warriors, do they win the finals against cleveland, or beat the spurs with a healthy leonard?

Anthony / Love
Durant / Lebron
Iggy / Shump
Steph / Swish
Bibby / Kyrie

that's a way different series

What works for the Warriors is also their bench which is made up of players that are capable of being starters or were starters before they joined the Warriors: Iggy, Livingston, West etc

 

[NYC Rebel]

Very creative and original thread.

All of these “Max said” “Skip said” “Nick said” “Rapoport said” threads are ass

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Lol


Three top-5 lottery picks from the same draft (2003) whom were also in the top 4 in PER the previous season before joining up. (In their primes)





Wade and Lebron also led the league in PER in 2008, Bosh was 14th.





“Not a superteam”



Considering the trash ass eastern conference led by the al horford hawks and kyle lowry raptors, and by the standards of the 2010 NBA season, that was definitely a super team.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

miami wasn't a superteam though they had 3 good players and the rest were old role players

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Never considered miami a superteam. A really dope trio though

But back in 2012 you posted this -

fault the heat league's going to be supersquads for now on get use to it.

Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?

 

[Izanami]

He was an all star. Klay is an all star. Dray is an all star. Neither are superstars. The only 2 superstars on GS are Steph and KD. Similar the 2 superstars on Miami were Wade and LeBron. If your 3rd best player is a perennial all star, who made his bones as a perennial all star before he joined his superteam, than you're in pretty good shape. At least with Klay and Dray we haven't seen their potential with other teams. So all their accolade have come playing with Golden State in that system.. Bosh was making a name for himself and was one of the most coveted free agents off of what he was able to do in Toronto.

Lol Klay has outplayed steph multiple times in pivotal games. How easily we forget it was Klay who went off in game 6 of the WCF that saved the Warriors season in 2016. People acting like Klay didn't drop 30+ in a quater and isn't regarded as the best two way 2 guard in the league.

Bosh isn't the play maker, passer, and defenseman Dray is either. It was Draymond who would've won finals MVP if the Warriors beat the Cavs in 2016.

KD and bron's goal was the same to make winning championships easier only difference was

#3 KD didnt have beef with the warriors Bron had beef with Loston so he never would of joined them regardless

OKC was starting to be GSW greatest challengers in the west. And that 2016 series was grueling and physical (Draymond kicking Adams) a rivalry started to form. And the Warriors became the hill OKC had to overcome.

 

[Biscayne]

Lol Klay has outplayed steph multiple times in pivotal games. How easily we forget it was Klay who went off in game 6 of the WCF that saved the Warriors season in 2016. People acting like Klay didn't drop 30+ in a quater and isn't regarded as the best two way 2 guard in the league.

Bosh isn't the play maker, passer, and defenseman Dray is either. It was Draymond who would've won finals MVP if the Warriors beat the Cavs in 2016.



OKC was starting to be GSW greatest challengers in the west. And that 2016 series was grueling and physical (Draymond kicking Adams) a rivalry started to form. And the Warriors became the hill OKC had to overcome.

Those two are all stars. They're not superstars. The system allows them to flourish, and allows them to showcase their talents without all the pressure being on them. Bosh has had great series in Miami too. Bosh son'ning KG in game 7 of the 2012 ECF. Bosh son'ning the bulls in the 2011 ECF. They're all allstars.

 

[Columbo]

Kellerman said today that Al Horfc00n is playing at a hall of fame level so far in these playoffs

 

[EBK String]

"bu bu bu he would have more rings if it wasn't for Durant going to the warriors"

Durant would have never made that weak beta move if Bron didn't make the weak beta move of linking up with other superstars in their prime in Miami. Durant just took LeBron tactics to an extreme level.

NBA players only linked up with other starts when they were past their prime and desperate for a ring or got traded. LeBron opened the flood gates and hurt his own legacy. Be careful what you wish for. His lack of patience to win rings cost him rings on the backend.