Maybe I'm getting old but this NBA2K draft they just had is goofy as hell

[Trapperman Dave]

The day that playing 2K becomes ones livliehood is the day it creases being fun.

Like smoove

 

[Draje]

I watch to see crazy athletic feats and shyt you can't see every day. Even for the best egamer you're still watching video game animations. Not comparable at all. The same animations that I can see playing on my own. Like I said I totally respect the skills of the people playing and would never downplay that and know at my best most would definitely smoke me. But for the most part I'm just watching a game being played.

When we watch people playing games we're looking at a screen and not them. Like I said it's just not for me. I've tried watching the games of 2K for tips on how to improve and just got bored so damn quick. I respect the talent of the people playing just personal preference wise don't understand it. Way too many entertainment options. I could be watching real people playing real basketball compared to watching people play a flawed simulation of it.

I guarantee you that you have no chance at pulling off the same combos and moves that pro-gamers can do in the situation that they're doing it in (Playing against other pros).

It's absolutely comparable. Go look at the Starcraft video I posted and realize that you could NEVER DO what they're doing.

They're pulling off moves, reads, and decisions at speeds that you can barely comprehend with a level of execution that can't be understated.



What's happening here is nowhere NEAR what your average DBZF player can do. For the same reason that seeing Lebron doing crazy athletic stuff that you can't see everyday, the types of reads he's making and the tightness of his execution is something that you can't comprehend unless you play the game. Same way someobe who has never played basketball won't understand why Curry's shooting is different than seeing Joey at the park even though they're both shooting threes. It's the level of competition they're doing it in, the degree of difficulty those things they are doing are, and how they pull it off.

 

[Draje]

Oh but i am, they would definitely get me in 5v5 controlling everyone.

Do you know what the pro-league is? It's not 5v5 controlling everyone.

It's 10 different players, all controlling their one person on the court.

 

[LV Koopa]

That's absolutely not true. Go watch competitive Starcraft, competitive Overwatch, competitive Siege, etc.

If I put you into a game with an pro DBZF player, you'd get turned into absolute Swiss cheese. Technical execution, frame knowledge, set ups, understanding the nuances of the game, etc.

We've seen guys like Daigo struggle as they get older, despite being revered as gods of their craft, because their bodies simply aren't as quick anymore.

The skill level is stupidly high in these games. Things average players don't even take into account or know about matter HUGE in truly competitive play.



This is stupidly hard to do. I can't even put it into words how quick he's moving and the decisions he's making while planning against another human opponent who has his own plans. There is nothing low-skill about this.

The average player maybe does 2-3 actions per minute. Championship players do up to high 200s or low 300s APM.

Believe me. In most e-sports, they're playing against other humans and not dealing with the AI at all

Well to be fair it's more like 60 APM for typical people vs 300+ for pros. But yea most of these cats think shyt is easy but have no hope of ever being good at comp games. They're real life scrubs.

StarCraft, Street Fighter, and Quake set the stage for e sports being big as they are today.

 

[Draje]

Well to be fair it's more like 60 APM for typical people vs 300+ for pros. But yea most of these cats think shyt is easy but have no hope of ever being good at comp games. They're real life scrubs.

StarCraft, Street Fighter, and Quake set the stage for e sports being big as they are today.

I don't play much Starcraft so I'm sorry for understating.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Do you know what the pro-league is? It's not 5v5 controlling everyone.

It's 10 different players, all controlling their one person on the court.

Yes I know lol but I said its a good chance I’d lose to them controlling everyone. I just don’t like 2k online that much.

It won’t be as hard as you think and if it is it’s because they only know how to play with a high overall character.

I play from scratch on HoF trust me I know the struggle from learning to score and get by with basic animations and bronze badges

 

[Frump]

To be clear I'm not shytting on dudes caking off it im confused as hell by having gm's and scouts for gamers. Like how does that even work?what the hell do u look for in a gamer when scouting? And how do u become qualified to be a scout or gm for a gamer?

Seems so weird to me

 

[Trapperman Dave]

To be clear I'm not shytting on dudes caking off it im confused as hell by having gm's and scouts for gamers. Like how does that even work?what the hell do u look for in a gamer when scouting? And how do u become qualified to be a scout or gm for a gamer?

Seems so weird to me

Lol I think they just looked through the people who had 50 pro am wins other than that I have no idea

 

[LV Koopa]

We could have a long talk about competition in competitive gaming but I'll just say this: once a game hits a crrtcer baseline of competition casual players have nearly no shot vs "pro" gamers. And I'm betting those real 2K pros would scrub everyone off the map around here.

I was just a semi pro in StarCraft and Guild Wars as a young kid and the stuff casual players didn't know was amazing. The stuff they called cheesy/cheap(typical mark of a scrub) was shyt I knew how to stop in my sleep. And people will pay you yo do it or you can run a stream on Twitch or UStream and get cake yourself. Y'all missing out on so much opportunities.

 

[LV Koopa]

To be clear I'm not shytting on dudes caking off it im confused as hell by having gm's and scouts for gamers. Like how does that even work?what the hell do u look for in a gamer when scouting? And how do u become qualified to be a scout or gm for a gamer?

Seems so weird to me

In StarCraft in Korea you had hundreds of tournaments. You also had lots of ELO ranking ladders in the early days. So guys that constantly got to the top of the ladders without cheating would get invited to practice with pro teams. And there's a ton of stuff you notice if yourey into it that gives off why a guy might be great. Same way I can look at NBA games and tell if the coach is shyt or not or a player is overrated, they can too.

 

[Draje]

Yes I know lol but I said its a good chance I’d lose to them controlling everyone. I just don’t like 2k online that much.

It won’t be as hard as you think and if it is it’s because they only know how to play with a high overall character.

I play from scratch on HoF trust me I know the struggle from learning to score and get by with basic animations and bronze badges

They're not controlling everyone. Everyone is player locked into their own position and player.

What are you talking about? Playing 2K against the HOF computer is NOTHING like playing 2K pro am against 5 other human players. The same stuff doesn't apply at all. It's almost an entirely different game. I can drop a 100 PPG, in my sleep, with a 70 overall on HOF difficulty with all normal animations. The computer doesn't know how to properly defend or force you to miss.

It has nothing to do with a high overall character. I have 4 characters on 2K and I've never spent a single cent on VC.

You don't have any idea of what you're talking about. I can tell you don't play pro-am competively or that you didn't participate in the 2K league combine.

Dunning-Kruger.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

We could have a long talk about competition in competitive gaming but I'll just say this: once a game hits a crrtcer baseline of competition casual players have nearly no shot vs "pro" gamers. And I'm betting those real 2K pros would scrub everyone off the map around here.

I was just a semi pro in StarCraft and Guild Wars as a young kid and the stuff casual players didn't know was amazing. The stuff they called cheesy/cheap(typical mark of a scrub) was shyt I knew how to stop in my sleep. And people will pay you yo do it or you can run a stream on Twitch or UStream and get cake yourself. Y'all missing out on so much opportunities.

Ain’t no such thing as a “pro” 2k gamer unless they make some serious changes to physics and animations

 

[Trapperman Dave]

They're not controlling everyone. Everyone is player locked into their own position and player.

What are you talking about? Playing 2K against the HOF computer is NOTHING like playing 2K pro am against 5 other human players. The same stuff doesn't apply at all. It's almost an entirely different game. I can drop a 100 PPG, in my sleep, with a 70 overall on HOF difficulty with all normal animations. The computer doesn't know how to properly defend or force you to miss.

It has nothing to do with a high overall character. I have 4 characters on 2K and I've never spent a single cent on VC.

You don't have any idea of what you're talking about. I can tell you don't play pro-am competively or that you didn't participate in the 2K league combine.

Dunning-Kruger.

I said IF they were controlling everyone in a 5v5 like using regular teams yes I’d probably lose. You’re seriously overrating people or im overrating myself. And I clearly said I don’t like 2k online like that and i work during the day so no I don’t be playing pro am. Honestly i have no faith in 2k that this will work because as you said it’s probably not esports ready. 2k ain’t complex AT ALL that’s why im convinced that myself or anyone of us who plays my career to an extent could wash these nikkas

 

[Draje]

To be clear I'm not shytting on dudes caking off it im confused as hell by having gm's and scouts for gamers. Like how does that even work?what the hell do u look for in a gamer when scouting? And how do u become qualified to be a scout or gm for a gamer?

Seems so weird to me

Depends on the position that player plays and his archetype.

Imagine you're trying to draft a PG.

-Can he consistently hit the three and keep defenses honest to Space the floor, game to game. Anyone can get hot for a game but are they consistently getting green releases?

-Are his dribbling skills good enough to consistently get by his man in single coverage? If he consistently uses animations (Blow-by or the like) to get to the lane, he becomes good for good defensive teams because getting into those animations makes it easy to cause collision steals with proper shading.

-How does he like to finish? If he doesn't know how use the stick to get the layup animations he want makes it much more likely to get those shots blocked or contested.

-How is he playmaking? Knowing the timing of the passes and when to hit cutters is important in 2K because big men will fumble the ball if you pass it to them if they're moving to the paint and a defensive player has a physical contact animation with them.

-How is his midrange? Can he consistently hit moving and leaning shots? Does he know to consistently get certain leaning animations to make his shot more consistent?

-Does he know where to place his players? Shooters get better animations based off getting the ball with proper timing. Better timing means more consistent greens.

-How is his defense? Does he know when to use the right stick over pressing the block button? Does he know when to hit the left trigger to get into defensive posture or to use the charge button to stop turbo spam? Does he properly use timeouts to stop momentum and make sure to conserve stamina?

Etc, etc.

 

[Draje]

I said IF they were controlling everyone in a 5v5 like using regular teams yes I’d probably lose. You’re seriously overrating people or im overrating myself. And I clearly said I don’t like 2k online like that and i work during the day so no I don’t be playing pro am. Honestly i have no faith in 2k that this will work because as you said it’s probably not esports ready. 2k ain’t complex AT ALL that’s why im convinced that myself or anyone of us who plays my career to an extent could wash these nikkas

Bro, you're an idiot or you're ignorant. Take a pick. The skills needed to play in 5v5 and controlling everyone are entirely different than what's needed in pro-am.

You're absolutely overrating yourself because you've never played it so you sound like a moron. You're a dude that shoots good in an open gym or beating on bums at the YMC and thinks you could beat an NBA pro in a shoot out or in a game of 1v1.

I'm telling you right now that any pro 2K player could drop stupid numbers on MyCareer in their sleep. I put up such stupid numbers in MyCareer that its boring. I can drop 100 point games on 5 minute quarters with a newly created 68 OVR while on HOF with my eyes closed.

It's NOTHING.

You sound like a moron and I have a job (But I can play 2K at my job with little issue).

Stop being stupid and go hop on a game of pro am or shut the fukk up because you just sound like an idiot, honestly.