If the McDonalds workers were pushing for a higher MW you would blame them for demanding more than they were worth.... stahp itBe blind to the big picture and blame Mcdonalds workers.
McDonald's rolls out self-service kiosks: push for $15 min wage brehs
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The barriers and costs to open a restaurant have skyrocketed in the last couple of years..These big fast food companies should be getting hammered by small mom and pop joints because wholesale food prices and production costs arent that different and their food and service sucks and with these kiosks its about to get even worse.
But the cost to open a restaurant is $275k...and 30-50% of that is Govt related, Enviromental,Health,food safety,construction permits.legal fees..you have to get through all 3 layers of govt ..file and get permits from at least 10 agencies
I helped a Friend with a restaurant project...the location was ALREADY zoned and inspected since it was previously a restaurant and STILL the various state,county and city inspection teams deemed the some equipment unsuitable for the 2016 regulations and hit her with a 30k environmental impact assessment so she had to spend an extra 75k just to get a permit ..yet the small local restaurants provide the kind of Jobs that cant be taken away by machines and better food and service.
Franchises like Mcdonalds know how to maneuver through regulatory minefields and in fact they push for it because they know it keeps their competition down.
Lets say we reduce the costs massively by cutting a lot of the regulations. Lets say that we cut it from 30-50% to say 10-20%... are you confident to say that food safety and environmental protections will be of the same quality? Will there be an increase of hospital usage and externalized environmental costs? If you don't think so, why?
This too.... don't lie through your teeth and say companies will self-regulate, they never do
I'm sure it would be cheaper for McDonalds to pay people $2 an hour instead on implementing this kiosks, should we lower the minimum wage to $2 and hour?
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The GOAT
Exactly. A lot of people ignore the material dollar costs associated with business externalizations. What is the true cost of drilling etc? What are the true costs of Tobacco? And the list goes on and on.
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Lol the things where people order their food? I been seeing those in France and in Belgium for a couple years...both countries with a minimum wage
This was happening regardless
This was happening regardless
I'm all for raising the wages of fast food workers...until I actually go and get fast food
These people can't even take simple directions and press 3 buttons without fukking up something. If I fukked up at my job as much as they do, I wouldn't have one
The barriers and costs to open a restaurant have skyrocketed in the last couple of years..These big fast food companies should be getting hammered by small mom and pop joints because wholesale food prices and production costs arent that different and their food and service sucks and with these kiosks its about to get even worse.
But the cost to open a restaurant is $275k...and 30-50% of that is Govt related, Enviromental,Health,food safety,construction permits.legal fees..you have to get through all 3 layers of govt ..file and get permits from at least 10 agencies
I helped a Friend with a restaurant project...the location was ALREADY zoned and inspected since it was previously a restaurant and STILL the various state,county and city inspection teams deemed the some equipment unsuitable for the 2016 regulations and hit her with a 30k environmental impact assessment so she had to spend an extra 75k just to get a permit ..yet the small local restaurants provide the kind of Jobs that cant be taken away by machines and better food and service.
Franchises like Mcdonalds know how to maneuver through regulatory minefields and in fact they push for it because they know it keeps their competition down.
I knew Big Gubment was going to come up in a thread about McDonald's automation.
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like these robots arent also cheaper than 10 dollar minimum wage
Absolutely..Like in my friends case the environmental impact assessment was a charge based on the predicted waste water her establishment would produce,the grease soap and sanitizer getting into the drain.
Why do such charges have to be levied in advance based on square footage..why not meter them according to water usage? why cant they be assessed monthly or yearly based on receipts that way people can at least start and afford them.If business is booming its not hard to pay them
If you dont see that handing over almost 40 thousand and you havent made a dime yet is gonna be a big killer for many small businesses i dont know what to tell you bruh.
What if they are reduced if you use biodegradable cleaning products and install better grease traps and waste water pre treatment devices..if the idea is really protecting the environment....
Some regulations made sense and those are the ones that are easy to meet but many are just ridiculous and not to mention the redundancy and bureaucracy is just over the top..the idea that it takes 10 inspection teams from the UDSA,County,City,State Health,Fire Marshall,OSHA,EPA to all sign off before you can even get started is a bit too much...some consolidation is overdue
there has to be a balance between safety and common sense.Perhaps we have gone too far in the quest to eliminate risk that enterpreneurship is being stifled as well.
Lets not forget...The safest business premises is a closed abandoned one..theres zero risk since nobody is inside it.
Nice strawman...i have no idea what theyre worth since i dont own a mcdonaldsIm against state minimum wage mandates on principle but i have no problem with mcdonalds paying people $25/hour if they want to...If the workers think they are worth $15 they have every right to unionize and ask for $15/hour.
You clearly don't know what each of these entities do. In the private sector the design and construction of trades is all specialized and separate. You might have 1 engineering firm do the design, but within that firm there will be engineers who specialize in one of each of the trades. Same shyt with a general contractor... they will most likely sub out specialized shyt like fire protection, electrical work, plumbing etc. How would a regulator be any different? A regulator has to know the trades damn near as well as people designing and building shyt to be effective, which means more bodies, which means the legions of govt workers you hate. Private industry does not self-regulate. You see this with all the construction disasters in places with weak regulation, as well as here where the private sector can outsmart regulators without putting lives in jeopardy (finance)
Teenagers bout to be out of a job becuase a bunch of losers wanted to make a living out of working the drive thru.
Personally I think its more how we should ensure people leave high school with an actual trade in mind