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If you think that's all he's rapping about, then you obviously just skimmed through the album
MCHG had the biggest stage ever to deliver for hip-hop, and did not do so
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If you think that's all he's rapping about, then you obviously just skimmed through the album
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If they never had a jigga album before then how would they be able to tell that magna carta holy crap is lackluster? What exactly would they be basing their opinions on? If you get a free album from an artist you never listen to and you think its wack then by what standard are you judging it? Is it business as usual for the artist or can they do better? How would a non listener of jays music know the difference?
the album is lazy unispired crap but you see i know this cause i own the Sean Carter coaster collection. Im not some random 45 year old white guy who just happened to have a S4 on July 4th and wanted to see what the hype was about.
the album is lazy unispired crap but you see i know this cause i own the Sean Carter coaster collection. Im not some random 45 year old white guy who just happened to have a S4 on July 4th and wanted to see what the hype was about.
1. Motherfukkers had performances on Grammy awards (this alone has 5 million views more than Game 7 and like 15 million more than Game 5 ), Oscars, Superbowl, commercials running for months (even Jay electronica had a Mountain Dew commercial running for months). An obscure commercial with the most famous rapper already sitting talking about dualities and saying he's dropping album will not get more people to buy/downloaded/streamed to it than people who wouldn't have bought/downloaded/streamed it in first place.It did no favors for hip-hop, when it had the chance to kick down another big door.
Samsung/Jay took up a several minute advertisement during a great NBA Finals, which was probably watched by 20 million people or whatever. How many artists(I can't remember any) have taken up a spot of that magnitude on national TV to announce a new album??? This was a step below only the SuperBowl in terms of eyes watching.
HUGE stage, we're talking people who've never even heard of Jay-Z are being exposed to him at that moment, hearing/seeing him talk for the first time....other people who only know of his name from pop culture or that he's Bey's husband....other people who have a default disposition to thinking rap music is garbage. They're not gonna watch BET/MTV/VH1 channels to seek out Jay Z, they're being fed this right on their own time.
Then the name, Magna Carta Holy Grail.....that's a heavy name for an album. People are seeing this and expectations are growing.
We learn the album is going to be given away(initially) free via a smart phone app to a million ppl, which immediately opens up a MUCH larger audience of people who may never have previously purchased or sought after a Jay Z album. But since it's free they'll take it, and they want to see what the hype is all about. My cousin, I don't think has any Jay Z albums and she had it on her phone when I saw her on the 4th.
So the album drops, very lackluster(IMO), and that's not even saying it's not possible to live up to the hype....it's just not that good. And now ppl are like,"THIS is what the big deal was all about?! This is what ppl consider to the best?"
Thoughts???
2. This album was clearly for the fans, not the pop fans. That was BP3.
Newspapers that gave this 2/5 gave BP3 4/5. No pop music at all, no political correctness, no sympathy for cacs and c00ns reluctance to black wealth, only promotion being tweeting with fans and a Samsung commercial with no music.
Could it be better? yes. But at your 17th album, 13th #1 , I don't think pleasing non-fans is a priority. He made an album wanting to talk the greasiest shyt he can talk and the fans who know that style of rap seem to enjoy it. The people who were expecting music about slaves or new Empire State of Mind ballads need to fall the fukk back and buy his old albums. This is the old the first time since 1998-99 where Jay is talking that disgusting shyt. And it's not for everyone, it's for the streets, the fans. Just like Yeezy dropped an album for the fans, the alternative people etc.
If anything I'm glad that he didn't go safe like American Gangster or BP3. And just flat out made a whole album of songs like Jay-z Blue, Nickels and Dimes etc even though they might be the "best" songs on the album they are too damn basic on your 17th album. If he drops another album he might go the safe route like other rappers and do what people want him to do.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
Took the easy way to go plat but I'm dying to see what them first week sales look like
And I don't think Jay-z makes music to teach ignorant people about what they should know.
He's not gonna try to teach us about Trayvon Martin's case when he's not got a law degree, he'll leave that to the smart dumb conscious rappers to mislead the youth.
He's never been one of these dumb smart rappers saying shyt that anyone who reads the papers and got a c or more in history already knows like these other rappers. That's what some people like and that fine.
If you ain't really really down like Pac or Common, socially conscious rap is 9/10 dumb smart shyt. I still don't understand the dweebs crying for Jay to engage in it. He actually cares, he's actually doing shyt in society, he's not about to use other people's misery to sell records. Very few people like Ghostface who makes up a whole dream world, Nas and Face who talk about other people can still talk street shyt and that's their niche.
He's more The Beatles than Bob Marley.
He's not gonna try to teach us about Trayvon Martin's case when he's not got a law degree, he'll leave that to the smart dumb conscious rappers to mislead the youth.
He's never been one of these dumb smart rappers saying shyt that anyone who reads the papers and got a c or more in history already knows like these other rappers. That's what some people like and that fine.
If you ain't really really down like Pac or Common, socially conscious rap is 9/10 dumb smart shyt. I still don't understand the dweebs crying for Jay to engage in it. He actually cares, he's actually doing shyt in society, he's not about to use other people's misery to sell records. Very few people like Ghostface who makes up a whole dream world, Nas and Face who talk about other people can still talk street shyt and that's their niche.
He's more The Beatles than Bob Marley.
I'd like to hear your comparison between Jay-Z and Stevie Wonder
I need a good laugh right now.I don't get some of these haters who are in every thread for the past 6-7 years just complaining, if it's dope like AG it's overrated, if it's meh like BP3 it's the worst thing ever. Why can't these fakkits just appreciate that different type of artists make different type of music and people fukk with them for different reasons.
People fukk with Jay for flow, bars, delivery, wordplay, metaphors, entendres, punchlines, exciting tails in which the writer is the protagonist and mastering hard beats like BBC. Pac might be my 1st or 2nd favorite but I don't fukk with him for any of those reasons. I fukk with him for the critically analyzed subject of matter, the melody in his flow, the well written verses reminiscent of someone like Bob Dylan, the emotion, the fusion of the concept, the poetry..
To conclude I have different things I appreciate with every rapper, these
cats however want every rapper to rap like their favorite rapper.
People fukk with Jay for flow, bars, delivery, wordplay, metaphors, entendres, punchlines, exciting tails in which the writer is the protagonist and mastering hard beats like BBC. Pac might be my 1st or 2nd favorite but I don't fukk with him for any of those reasons. I fukk with him for the critically analyzed subject of matter, the melody in his flow, the well written verses reminiscent of someone like Bob Dylan, the emotion, the fusion of the concept, the poetry..
To conclude I have different things I appreciate with every rapper, these
cats however want every rapper to rap like their favorite rapper.
Canada Goose
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Holy grail is pop music breh
Timberlake intro to that song is so teeny bopper ish, sounds like something they would play during the background on Glee
BBC and On the run are arguable pop songs as well
Holy grail sounds more popish than Empire state or mind.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
The problem is whenever someone levels that line if criticism against him, y'all respond by saying "You want Jay to be/rap about ______" or "that's not who he is."
No, we don't want him to be anything else and we critique him who he is. And his lack of vision and depth and ability to effectively make songs of substance is a legitimate knock on his artistry.
Jay's most profound moments come when he's talking about his own personal experience. He seems to have artistic myopia and can't see the world outside himself and manifest it in rhymes. And that was interesting and compelling when he was talking about his life as a drug dealer. He brought an element of putting a human face and in terms of describing the full range of emotions that come with that life early on, not just bragging and it was kinda groundbreaking.
But now he's mostly just rapping about hanging around rich white people in Europe and being part of high society with the occasional flash of profundity.
Camel stans: "You just don't like him anymore because you can't relate to his life. That's your own issues."
NO. It's the artistic myopia I referenced earlier; his inability to get outside himself and make substantive music. Nas just showed you a rich man pushing 40 can still make quality music at a high level that isn't rooted in narcissism.
And the Beatles comparison is horrible. They had plenty of substance and depth.
What a clown, dude compared Jay to Stevie, then edited his post comparing Jay to the Beatles 