Melo has better stats in almost every category then kawhi,and people think kawhi better?

[Playa With Tha Passport]

even without gasol, they were a better choice than the knicks..

As long as Dolan is the owner, the Knicks will never win...

He just cant stay out of the way...

No there not better then nyk lol especially without gasoul

Rose and noah both injury prone and washed

Only piece they have is jimmy

There about to rebuild

And Dolan doesn't make the personnel moves anymore

 

[FTBS]

Until Bron went to fux with wade he ain't win shyt either nikka...
KD and ain't winning shyt either my nikka..
KG had umpteen years of excellence and had dikk to show for it.. same with Ray Allen and P double.
Yall nikkaz flip the script to fit your argument smh...
Remember he was MOP and won a National Championship

at how often college achievements get brought up with this dude. Wayne Ellington got the same shyt remember?

I have called it how it is regardless of who the player is. If any of those dudes had forced a trade to another squad and had their old squad actually performed better nobody would be copping pleas for them. Bron gets clowned more for being 2-4 in the Finals than Melo does for being 2-8 in the first round. KD and CP3 take more shyt for 2nd and 3rd round playoff Ls in the West than Melo does for missing the playoffs in the fukking East going on 3 years now.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Iverson for the most part didn't get empty buckets though, and had a huge impact in every game he played in his prime. When Melo wins an MVP and single handedly wills an extremely limited and overmatched team to the finals I'll agree with the Iverson comparison.

Plus Melo seems more than content to get paid and waste his career in NY, I've never seen a player with more heart and who wanted to win more than Iverson.

Ai wanted to win so much

He didnt go to practice and got drunk instead

 

[Lifer11]

Ai wanted to win so much

He didnt go to practice and got drunk instead

If you're seriously questioning Iverson's desire to win you're largely discrediting your own opinion on almost all matters basketball.

No one played harder than him on a regular basis.

 

[calh45]

You didn't answer my question. What good has having Melo as the dude done for two different franchises over 13 years? Now don't get me wrong...I recognize this is a team game and a lot of things outside of individual players control come into play...no doubt. However, Melo being traded to NY (and thusly gutting their supporting cast and costing them draft picks including this years) and being unable to fit with STAT and the Nuggets having a better second half after the trade (they still have a better overall record since the trade ) can't be attributed to other folks or a lack of talent. People stay saying "bu...bu...but if Melo had that SA team around him" and my question, that hasn't been answered is when has he shown he can fit into such a program and play a role like Kawhi's?

You're trying to get me to shyt on a good player because the team ain't go far, but that happens. KG was beasting on those Timberwolves teams, but they got slumped in the playoffs too before he landed with the Celts. Same with Dirk before he became Larry Legend 2.0 for 2 seasons. Did you downgrade their rating as a player too because of that? I'm not some crazy Melo fan. I ain't got no issues with saying the man's teams ain't done shyt and I don't think Melo should be blamed for the Knicks impatience in trading for him. Sure he probably pushed in the background, but they're supposed to say no for the sake of their overall picture. That's not on Melo. That's on Dolan.

I get what you're trying to say, but to me I can't just say his team did less so Kahwi is automatically better OR that Kahwi does more across the entire spectrum than Melo so he's better. Melo's primary impact was offensively. Kahwi's impact is more diverse. I don't know how Melo would perform in Kawhi's role because even going back to Syracuse they gave him the ball and got the fukk outta his way on the offensive side meanwhile Kawhi could barely shoot outside the paint at San Diego State so he had to scrap to do other shyt to impact the game. The way they play in the NBA are extensions of how I've seen them play from the point I've known about either one of them. Kawhi is starting to expand out of the hide in the background role just like Melo should probably start trying to slide back within the frame of the team and do a bit more.

TL;DR
Currently? Kahwi
Overall? Eh. We'll see.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

at how often college achievements get brought up with this dude. Wayne Ellington got the same shyt remember?

I have called it how it is regardless of who the player is. If any of those dudes had forced a trade to another squad and had their old squad actually perform better nobody would be copping pleas for them. Bron gets clowned more for being 2-4 in the Finals than Melo does for being 2-8 in the first round. KD and CP3 take more shyt for 2nd and 3rd round playoff Ls in the West than Melo does for missing the playoffs in the fukking East going on 3 years now.

Kd and
cp3 (until last year) are media darlings

And people love them

People who shyt on them are in the minority

Lb gets shytted on cause his 2-4 rec????

Lb gets a pass for every finals L bedside dallas

The media and fans gave him a excuse with every finals L hes taken

 

[thelonious21]

nikkas been comparing Kawhi to Pippen

You gotta get out your Melo based feelings

You feel that comparison is valid

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

If you're seriously questioning Iverson's desire to win you're largely discrediting your own opinion on almost all matters basketball.

No one played harder than him on a regular basis.

Yea he played hard on the court (90% of nba players do)

But he Didnt do the little things off the court that mattered

Like skipping practice and getting drunk

I loved the the practice rant as much as anyone and thought it was funny

But that was part of the reason he never won

 

[360dagod]

No there not better then nyk lol especially without gasoul

Rose and noah both injury prone and washed

Only piece they have is jimmy

There about to rebuild

And Dolan doesn't make the personnel moves anymore

Dolan was the reason why Kerr didnt come to NY..Which was phil's 1st choice

And if phil says fukk it,im out, it will because of Dolan...

 

[Art Barr]

Kawhi is a generational perimeter defender, just like Scottie was, Melo is just another shot jacking Forward whose game wont win shyt.

So, if kawahi is as good as melo.
When in the fukk did leonard go to a bad team and single handedly help them into the off's with an inept coach.
Who plays small ball and won't ever win by simple bball IQ and theory in George Karl.
Your rant about egghead software stats and all that only hold up.
When, your player you like pedigree actually matches the player you dislike and I can say you dislike melo.
There is no way with all the bball knowledge you have that you think Leonard is as good as melo.
Sorry not buying it and real talk if Leonard was that good.
He would be on a weak squad and drafted to a weak squad and made said weak squad better.
Held weak squad hostage and then went and got paid.
Plus, when he gave an actual damn the squad and was not coming back from or enduring injury..said squad would make the off's with no coach.
On no day do i see Leonard playing for the nuggets or a bad team and making the off's with no one there.

It is not happening and you know it, and no amount of egghead software stats are aiding you there.
If Leonard was that capable he would have been an early round draft pick and would have not needed to be draft specifically to san an to be actualized as a player.

I don't even see Leonard being actualized like granger or Paul George if he goes to Indy.
Leonard would be an experiment that never happens in Philly if he was in Philly alone like Andre igoudala.

Leonard is only the deflection point sportswriters who were racist and wrong about bron going to Miami.
Looking to validate false anger and white privilege over bron.
With Leonard as some legacy pr player to that time to nullify the decision.

Art Barr

 

[Malta]

So, of kawahi is as good as melo.
When in the fukk did he go to a bad team and single handedly help them into the off's with an inept coach.
Who plays small ball and won't ever win by simple bball IQ and theory.
Your rant about egghead software stats and all that only hold up.
When, your player you like pedigree actually matches the player you dislike and I can day you dislike melo.
There is no way with all the bball knowledge you have that you think Leonard is as good as melo.
Sorry not buying it and real talk if Leonard was that good.
He would be on a weak squad and drafted to weak squad and made said weak squad better.
Held weak squad hostage and then went and got paid.
Plus, when he gave an actual damn the squad and was not coming back from or enduring injury..said squad would make the off's with no coach.
On no day do i see Leonard playing for the nuggets or a bad team and making the off's with no one there.

It is not happening and you know it, and no amount of egghead software stats are aiding you there.
If Leonard was that capable he would have been an early round draft pick and would have not needed to be drafts specifically to san an to be actualized as a player.

I don't even see Leonard being actualized like granger or Paul George if he goes to Indy.
Leonard would be an experiment that never happens in Philly if he was in Philly alone like Andre igoudala.

Leonard is only sportswriters who were racist and wrong about bron going to Miami.
Looking to validate false anger and white privilege over bron.
With Leonard as some legacy pr player to that time to nullify the decision.

Art Barr

I bet if I went into the Curry vs Iverson thread you'd be saying Curry isn't as good as Iverson.

Kawhi is better than Melo, there's more than one side of the ball, save the long rants for someone else.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Dolan was the reason why Kerr didnt come to NY..Which was phil's 1st choice

And if phil says fukk it,im out, it will because of Dolan...

Yea im sure the fact gsw had 1 of the best rosters

And nyk had 1 of the worst rosters

Had nothing to do with it

Plus

His family already lived in cali

He had a crib in az

He's a west coast guy

 

[Lifer11]

Yea he played hard on the court (90% of nba players do)

But he Didnt do the little things off the court that mattered

Like skipping practice and getting drunk

I loved the the practice rant as much as anyone and thought it was funny

But that was part of the reason he never won

He didn't miss practice regularly, he did the day before the practice rant and it was because one of his best friends was just killed. He didn't win with them cause the team wasn't good enough hands down. And he played harder than anyone I've ever seen play. You wana give 90% of the players the benefit of the doubt that they play hard every game I'll agree with that but Iverson still played harder than all of them night in and night out, and that's coming from the star franchise player not someone who made their living by giving you 8-10 minutes off the bench as a burst of energy.

 

[FTBS]

You're trying to get me to shyt on a good player because the team ain't go far, but that happens. KG was beasting on those Timberwolves teams, but they got slumped in the playoffs too before he landed with the Celts. Same with Dirk before he became Larry Legend 2.0 for 2 seasons. Did you downgrade their rating as a player too because of that? I'm not some crazy Melo fan. I ain't got no issues with saying the man's teams ain't done shyt and I don't think Melo should be blamed for the Knicks impatience in trading for him. Sure he probably pushed in the background, but they're supposed to say no for the sake of their overall picture. That's not on Melo. That's on Dolan.

I get what you're trying to say, but to me I can't just say his team did less so Kahwi is automatically better OR that Kahwi does more across the entire spectrum than Melo so he's better. Melo's primary impact was offensively. Kahwi's impact is more diverse. I don't know how Melo would perform in Kawhi's role because even going back to Syracuse they gave him the ball and got the fukk outta his way on the offensive side meanwhile Kawhi could barely shoot outside the paint at San Diego State so he had to scrap to do other shyt to impact the game. The way they play in the NBA are extensions of how I've seen them play from the point I've known about either one of them. Kawhi is starting to expand out of the hide in the background role just like Melo should probably start trying to slide back within the frame of the team and do a bit more.

TL;DR
Currently? Kahwi
Overall? Eh. We'll see.

I am not trying to get you to do anything but keep shyt a buck. Why folks keep bringing up all these other people? How is that relevant to the thread? I asked two simple, straight-forward questions about Melo and Kawhi, that you still have not answered.

 

[Malta]

Modern day Bernard King, except Bernard actually led the Knicks to two winning seasons and won two playoff series