Meltzer empties the clip on smarks chanting "YOU DESERVE IT"

[JoogJoint]

If Lana or Emma win will they deserve it? Rusev or R Truth deserve a championship title? Will they deserve the chant? Kofi deserves it a title more than Naomi to me. He been at the top of his craft and wasn't saddled with a loser like Tamina and Brodas Clay and the bum who got fired. When the slammy awards come back. Naiomi should get best improved wrestler of the year by a wide mark. She really stepped it and I was super critical of her. I think she can have a great match with Charlotte, Boss and Bayley.

Lana's not a wrestler, so why bring her up? Several of your arguments don't make any sense, but you seem to always put down Naomi so hard like it's personal. Did you really compare a man with Naomi?
So you're telling me a newcomer like Alexa (which y'all overrate like hell on here) deserves it more?

 

[Golayitdown]

Got damn you sound like such a fukkin mark

Bray comes in and immediately gets Mania matches with Taker and Cena and you think he's stressin over the fact that he didn't win the match?

The only thing real is the miles and the money - Kevin Nash

Get a clue

What the fukk does any of that bullshyt you typed have to do with me and homebody's discussion? The question I posed was how were those matches a major opportunity that he wasted or didn't take advantage of.

You lame ass dudes are quick to pull that dumb ass contrarian "mark" shyt when they can't formulate an answer to a discussion.

 

[AKM-95]

I would take a passionate crowd over those random flyover state shows where the fan barley react to anything. I get what meltzer is saying but at the same time it's just fans reacting to a cool moment on the show let them live.

What is Alvarez talking about WWE wrestling isn't even sport based it's been a television show for years. This was an excuse to hate on Naomi beating Alexa and the positive reaction it received.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

So losing to a once a year part timer whose whole draw in that venue was erased the year BEFORE your match that absolutely nobody expected you to win anyway is an opportunity?

And look no further than Rusev to see how much a WM L to Cena gets you as a newcomer.

Unless you were expecting Bray to do suicide dives and 450s through the table, there's nothing more he could or was gonna do with those opportunities given the two guys he was facing across the ring.

Better yet, what do you think he could/should have done with those so called opportunities?

Taker's matches are still being used as a selling point for mania so that's false.

Nobody's entitled to working high profile programs with legends at mania much less those who haven't really put in the work to get in that position to begin with. That's something Wyatt should be grateful for.

Ever since Cena has been the man his mania program usually consistent of working programs with vets like HHH, edge, big show, Orton ,etc for world titles.

The fact that Wyatt got the opportunity to work a program with Cena at mania is big in itself considering he was fresh on the roster.

I didn't expect him to do anything. He had nothing to his name.

No title wins
No rumble victory
No mitb win
Wasn't known as a good in ring worker

So yes considering that he had nothing to his name, but still got to work programs with the top dogs on the biggest stage is more than enough.

 

[Golayitdown]

Taker's matches are still being used as a selling point for mania so that's false.

Nobody's entitled to working high profile programs with legends at mania much less those who haven't really put in the work to get in that position to begin with. That's something Wyatt should be grateful for.

Ever since Cena has been the man his mania program usually consistent of working programs with vets like HHH, edge, big show, Orton ,etc for world titles.

The fact that Wyatt got the opportunity to work a program with Cena at mania is big in itself considering he was fresh on the roster.

I didn't expect him to do anything. He had nothing to his name.

No title wins
No rumble victory
No mitb win
Wasn't known as a good in ring worker

So yes considering that he had nothing to his name, but still got to work programs with the top dogs on the biggest stage is enough.

I feel you on all of that but the point of my original question is you are or were (in previous posts) saying that he got these opportunities like he wasted or squandered them when there's absolutely nothing that could or should have come out of those one off feuds. There's not much that could have been done given that the feuds weren't followed up on.

I would agree that it's cool for a new guy to get time with the vets and the part timers but I don't get how it could be held against Bray if that didn't catapult him into being a major player or he didn't do something to take that momentum and run with it.

I think now that he has been given a real chance to sink or swim we can finally see whether he's worth the price of admission.

 

[Francis White]

Lana's not a wrestler, so why bring her up? Several of your arguments don't make any sense, but you seem to always put down Naomi so hard like it's personal. Did you really compare a man with Naomi?
So you're telling me a newcomer like Alexa (which y'all overrate like hell on here) deserves it more?

Lana is wrestling on NXT. Did I mention Alexa? So I don't what your point. If I don't like someone you like I'm hard on them? Ok

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

What the fukk does any of that bullshyt you typed have to do with me and homebody's discussion? The question I posed was how were those matches a major opportunity that he wasted or didn't take advantage of.

You lame ass dudes are quick to pull that dumb ass contrarian "mark" shyt when they can't formulate an answer to a discussion.

You said they weren't a great opportunity because he lost the feuds

Sounds like a typical MARK to me

AJ got elevated cause he carried Reigns to two blassics even though he lost both. Wyatt got two golden opportunities and both were trash

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Lana is wrestling on NXT. Did I mention Alexa? So I don't what your point. If I don't like someone you like I'm hard on them? Ok

Lol if you call it that.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

Lol if you call it that.

Live shows, but barely

 

[Golayitdown]

You said they weren't a great opportunity because he lost the feuds

Sounds like a typical MARK to me

AJ got elevated cause he carried Reigns to two blassics even though he lost both. Wyatt got two golden opportunities and both were trash

I absolutely did not state that losing was the sole reason it wasn't an opportunity. You failed to read/fully comprehend the entire statement or the point I was making.

Let me clear it up. You can easily lose a feud/match and get elevated DEPENDING ON THE GUY IN QUESTION AND THE OPPONENT. I stated that Taker and Cena aren't those opponents for a guy like Bray. Their appeal is built on how dominant and unbeatable they are. At that point in their careers in both Bray matches there was no way they were going to elevate a newcomer like Bray who could only meet them halfway at best. He simply was not good enough to "AJ Styles" his way through the match and come out looking better regardless of how the match went like AJ did with Roman (and everyone from Ellseorth to Ambrose). AJ is the definition of a guy who's good enough to get elevated no matter who or what he faces across the ring or the outcome of the match because of how awesome he is.

Some guys (such as Jericho) are skilled or willing to make the guys they're with look like million bucks. Guys like Cena/Taker work best with guys who are already at that level. The only way those two in particular (Taker/Cena) would have been able to give a guy like Bray a rub at that time In his career was by actually looking weak to the point of losing while having Bray look hella dominant even though Bray loses OR by taking the loss. Neither of those happened in either match, so IMo neither match will be looked at as a major milestone that helped/harmed his career OR as a missed opportunity that he could have used for a stepping stone to get over the hump earlier.

My point was simply that there was nothing there GOOD or BAD for him to work with besides adding a couple of "worked with legends" lines to his resume (as dude said earlier) that put him anywhere near a position that a match that would qualify as a traditional opportunity would.

But please tell me, in my so called markdom, what "opportunity" did he miss or what didn't he do with those two feuds in particular that would change anything about how he was seen in the near or long term future after those matches?

 

[Golayitdown]

Lol if you call it that.

Is she that bad?

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Is she that bad?

Just from the stuff I have seen (which is hardly any cause it's just clips from NXT tour events, not actual NXT shows), but she's better than Rosa and early Bellas. She's great to look at though

 

[Rell84shots]

Got damn you sound like such a fukkin mark

Bray comes in and immediately gets Mania matches with Taker and Cena and you think he's stressin over the fact that he didn't win the match?

The only thing real is the miles and the money - Kevin Nash

Get a clue

I'm pretty sure all those surgeries Nash had were real, busting your ass just to keep losing while fans cheer you hurts. It shows the company isn't listening to the consumer, and all they care about is their bullshyt storylines.

 

[Drones]

I would take a passionate crowd over those random flyover state shows where the fan barley react to anything. I get what meltzer is saying but at the same time it's just fans reacting to a cool moment on the show let them live.

This is a large part of what Meltzer, Brian Zane and the other people criticizing Naomi and Bray getting the chant are missing. The crowd was really into the show, my guess is it's partly because Smackdown hasn't been to the LA area since it became clear that the show is better than RAM.

I was there in Anaheim and the chants were infectious; I didn't go with the intent of chanting that Bray or Naomi deserved it but when you're there with a couple thousand other wrestling fans who are shouting their appreciation you're compelled to shout your appreciation as well.

The chants began before Bray even got to the ring, and he took his time getting there so they were chanting for a while. And it didn't come off on TV but when he finally got to the center of the ring he bowed his head, almost like he was taking it all in and was grateful that all the jobs he's had to do finally paid off.

As far as Naomi, I didn't think she'd get the chants as there was a smattering of boos when her picture was shown for the upcoming segment, but she appreciated the chants as well. It's funny how miffed Meltzer, Alvarez, Zane, the WC cacs, and whoever else got about Naomi being told she deserves it when Rusev and other wrestlers expressed exactly that sentiment to her on Twitter.

I think Meltzer, Alvarez and some of the other people who follow wrestling full-time as a job get so damn jaded from watching hours upon hours of it that they become hyper-critical of anything that doesn't jibe with their sensibilities. The fans paid to be there, as long as they're not being vulgar or shytting on someone unnecessarily they can chant what the fukk they want to.

I notice that none of the aforementioned wrasslin 'analysts' had this much vitriol about Phoenix chanting 'lets go Ziggler' when he was beating the shyt out of Crews.

 

[llt23]

Ya Boy Meltz came off extremely here

Bottom line, Naomi been passed over for much less talented bytches for years so yeah she deserves it.

Bray been shytted on for years as well. He should've went over on a gang of feuds but for whatever reason he kept taking Ls after Ls.

I think its missing the point. Noami having the belt doesnt mean shyt, the belt means nothing and the title isnt over. Shes probably gonna just be a transitional champ anyway

And Bray getting it was the most obvious demotion of a belt. If Cena holds it its higher on the card at Mania. Bray vs Orton is a midcard match. Its really not that serious. They didnt really get anything of value for their careers.